I suspect there is a difference between 'Black Pad' and black pads... -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Igoshev, Vladimir Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 4:46 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] black pad Well, with all due respect I would have to disagree with you Werner (not for the first time :-)). I wouldn't associate Black Pad with excessive soldering temperature. It's rather a board manufacturing related issue. Regards, Vladimir -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Werner Engelmaier /* Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 4:38 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] black pad The more you expose an ENIG layer to soldering temperatures, the more Ni dissolves leaving more P at the layer between the Ni and the NiSn-IMC. The more? P the weaker this interface, leading to 'Black Pad' Werner -----Original Message----- From: henry rekers <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 3:41 pm Subject: Re: [TN] black pad Can you give me any examples of black pad being caused by anything other than a "bad board"? ie.? Is there anything in processing "perfect board" that would cause a de-wet condition that indicates black pad??? I guess where I'm going is, can this be anything other than a supplier issue? --- On Thu, 11/20/08, Werner Engelmaier /* <[log in to unmask]> wrote: From: Werner Engelmaier /* <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [TN] black pad To: [log in to unmask] Received: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 1:26 PM Hi 'rekers,' You cannot broad-brush like this. Some FAB houses do quite well, others not. ENIG, from various sources and at various conditions, has shown nickel corrosion or high phosphide concentrations. The underlying reasons for these are different, actually diametrically opposed. Some are the fault of the FAB house others not. Werner -----Original Message----- From: henry rekers <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:45 pm Subject: [TN] black pad Anybody out there experiencing mass dewetting issues from North American board shops? ? >From what I understand primary causes for dewetting (assuming the reflow/wave profile is bang on) is all on the board, ie nickel corrosion, degeneration of the nickel, or outgassing of the nickel/copper.? (I'm talking enig here.) ? Anybody? __________________________________________________________________ Connect with friends from any web browser - no download required. Try the new Yahoo! 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