Joe, Most/all of what I spoke of was for hermetic applications as far as reliability, so it was likely way off-base for your question - sorry. I don't have as good a feel for non-hermetic applications. All the commercial/industrial stuff I had exposure to was doing good to last 5-10 years in an industrial environment - is my guess. Steve -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Creswick, Steven Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 2:34 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] "Conductive" Bonding Material Joe, The short answer is, "Yes" The hybrid industry has used conductive adhesives to bond Pd/Ag, Ag, and Au terminated chip components to thin and thick film metallized alumina substrates for at least 30+ years. Samples are on board Voyagers I & II, Cassini, B1, F22, Tomahawk, etc. etc. pacemakers, implanted insulin pumps, left ventricular assist heart pumps, and a whole slew of others .... If done right, the reliability is certainly there. As Dewey says, "It depends". I am not aware of a 'hybrid guy' attempting to conductively adhesive bond to solder terminated components, or substrates reliably. That configuration has pretty much always ultimately fallen apart for me, but you may get away with it in a low cost, low rel commercial application. Both Henkel and Emerson & Cuming [now one large organization, technically] have multiple silver filled conductive adhesives that may potentially be of use to you. Ablestik is still there under the E&C umbrella for generic applications. You could talk to you local sales eng to flesh out your needs. It would help if you could narrow down the field a bit more. What is the application [Mil, Space, Commercial, etc], and type of conductor on the ceramic [thick film, thin film, plated, tinned, etc.] and nature of components to be attached Pd/Ag terminated chip cap/res, solder coated chip cap/res? Temp limitations? Environmental testing? Chemical resistance? Dispense/screen/stencil? The "conductive' bonding material" could be anything from conductive adhesive to solder - depending upon your components and circuit metallizations :-) Steve -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Joe Lara (Select Circuits) Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 2:03 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [TN] "Conductive" Bonding Material Good Morning / Afternoon Tech Net Guru's, Has anyone used a "Conductive" bonding material on a ceramic circuit board? If so what material was used and what was the quality of the result. Thanks in advance! Joe ***************** E-mail Confidentiality Disclaimer ***************** This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or rely upon this message or attachment in any way. If you received this e-mail message in error, please return by forwarding the message and its attachments to the sender. 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