You read my mind Denny. I was going to ask the same question. It must have been that I was in downtown Akron last weekend. Dewey -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dennis Fritz Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 9:51 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Solder Paste with craters. Are these via-in-pad boards?? Crater in same spot on each pad - not random. Denny Fritz MacDermid -----Original Message----- From: Guy Ramsey <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:31 pm Subject: Re: [TN] Solder Paste with craters. I have not see that kind of print anomaly. Obviously this will change the solder volume and it is undesirable. While the craters are not causing the fines. They could be symptomatic of a failure in the material that results in fines. The flux should dry and then the solder coalesce onto the feature at reflow. Some pastes fail in so that the flux runs all over carrying the solder spheres with it off the pads. Then at reflow the flux burns off leaving fines stranded everywhere. I have run into this problem and I have receive bad solder paste from reputable suppliers that do this fresh from a sealed jar. You could observe this with a BGA rework station, hot air or IR pen. Compare the problem paste with fresh paste and paste that does not produce fines. I think you will see a difference. -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Steve Gregory Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 11:59 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Solder Paste with craters. Hi Leif! I have your pictures posted. Go to: http://stevezeva.homestead.com/files/air_bubbles_and_craters_1.jpg http://stevezeva.homestead.com/files/air_bubbles_and_craters_2.jpg Is the percentage of metals the same as your leaded paste? I also think the rheology the paste won't be the same with as it is with the leaded paste, so there will most likely have to be changes with the set-up of the print. It almost looks like the separation speed is too fast, and the paste isn't given time to pull away from the inside of the apertures causing the crater... Steve -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Leif Erik Laerum Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 8:29 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [TN] Solder Paste with craters. Technetters, We are having an issue with solder fines on our lead free boards. We are using SAC305 WS and no nitrogen. I noticed that our boards have craters in the paste on the pads after being printed. Not all pads are deposited this way, but maybe 25%. These craters have an air bubble in them. The bubbles usually burst before the boards goes into the P&P, but the crater stays. The screening process is exactly the same for leaded and unleaded paste. The leaded paste does not behave this way. Could these craters be a symptom of the cause of the solder fines? Anyone have any experience with this? 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