That is a very good point, Lenny. -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lenny Carter Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 11:33 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] looking for ENiG photos AND- I would be just as concerned with their business history and credit status. I would run a D&B on them for the other 50% of the story. Just my $.02 Lenny -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Franklin Asbell Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 11:28 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] looking for ENiG photos (((nodding))) Especially considering the cost involved for that analysis, and the fact that they are seeking out "low cost" suppliers, I would think the qualification activities would be commensurate with the anticipated, received product... i.e. you get what you pay for... Franklin -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Igoshev, Vladimir Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 10:15 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] looking for ENiG photos Don't you think it would be kind of overkill to use Auger for routine characterization of ENIG? :-) Vladimir -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Stadem, Richard D. Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 10:48 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] looking for ENiG photos I am not sure that any conclusion can be derived from 800x magnification of ENIG samples. Some type of Auger analysis or other method should be used. -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Pete Houwen Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:58 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [TN] looking for ENiG photos Our purchasing group is trying to qualify a new low cost PCB vendor, and I have some reservations. I have been examining their sample boards, and while one oif them shows a normal ENiG grain under 800x magnification, the other is flat and dull. I believe it might be just gold plating. It's hard to tell from the cross sectons they sent (those display their own set of concerns). I'm trying to find some images to compare these, but I'm having no luck. Does anyone know of a good site where I might find some ENiG and Gold images? Thanks, Pete --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 15.0 To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-615-7100 ext.2815 ----------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 15.0 To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-615-7100 ext.2815 ----------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 15.0 To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-615-7100 ext.2815 ----------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 15.0 To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-615-7100 ext.2815 ----------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 15.0 To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-615-7100 ext.2815 ----------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 15.0 To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-615-7100 ext.2815 -----------------------------------------------------