Amen. Be proffesional and don't make it a rodeo... Inge ----- Original Message ----- From: "Franklin Asbell" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [TN] looking for ENiG photos >I would suggest proceed with extreme caution when communicating your > 'findings'... Personally, I would not 'exaggerate' at all as it would most > likely come back and bite you ten-fold... making you look like the shady > one... > > Varying appearances at 800X is not uncommon, in fact, at that > magnification > you are not seeing the real issues anyway, so in my opinion, toss out the > pictures and run some simulations on sample boards, assemble them, stress > them, test them, soak them, kick the tires, look under the hood, do all > that > you can to see how they will react in various situations and then use all > the information you compile to say whether they will 'meet your > requirements'. You are going for low cost, so do not raise your > expectations > higher than that... Whatever data you collect, compare it against that > bar, > and not a bar based upon product costing 2 to 4 times as much. > > But whatever you do, don't fudge the data to prove or disprove your > feeling, > this may only turn out bad for you, lose your credibility, possibly be a > financial issue if the supplier found out... oh, and good luck by the way. > > Franklin > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Pete Houwen > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 2:55 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [TN] looking for ENiG photos > > Inge, > > Very good point! > > background: The purchasing agent who is driving this has a bonus riding on > reducing PCB fabrication costs by $125K this year - with no adjustment for > oil > or copper costs. So if she saves $125K and manufacturing costs go up > $500K, > > she gets a bonus. Not to mention their longstanding tradition of being > penny > wise and pound foolish. > > Wit that, what are my chances of getting time or funding for a "really > good > qualification"? Supposedly the D&B was done - I don't get that info. > Someone > from our Shanghai R&D group visited the plant - but he's not a PCB guy. I > already know that their stated abilities don't meet our specs. > Manufacturing > doesn't want this. We've just spent months getting our processes somewhat > reliable, adding junk plating to it isn't going to help. > > But there's that bonus. So I've got these pictures.... I don't want to > lie, > or > exaggerate (much), but if I could find something comparative to scare the > bean counters...... they just don't get the value of paying for quality up > front. > > I keep a curled up tie and round glasses in my office to wear during > projects > like this....... > > Pete > > --------------------------------------------------- > Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 15.0 > To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in > the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet > To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to > [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) > To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to > [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest > Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives > Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 > for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or > 847-615-7100 ext.2815 > ----------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------- > Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 15.0 > To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in > the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet > To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to > [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) > To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to > [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest > Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives > Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 > for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or > 847-615-7100 ext.2815 > ----------------------------------------------------- > --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 15.0 To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-615-7100 ext.2815 -----------------------------------------------------