By now you should have realized that I do know words. I am aware of its meaning and uses/misuses. It was wrong of the IPC-A-600 to use a colloquial idiom to define something without first determining the clarity of the meaning; defining it within the document itself or having it included in IPC-T-50. Thanks for the additional inputs. There are still a few fine, distinguished, English Gentlemen that still speak to me. Graham does too. Dewey -----Original Message----- From: Mike Fenner [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 2:58 AM To: 'TechNet E-Mail Forum'; Whittaker, Dewey (EHCOE) Subject: RE: [TN] The meaning of "skived" There is an alternative vernacular meaning to 'Skive' in British English: Its a pejorative term for some one not doing something they should. Or secondarily doing something they shouldn't. If some one skives off a task it means they are dodging it, making them a skiver. So by a small stretch I [mis] understood what it meant fairly clearly! If you were to say the solder is skiving off in conversation, you would be saying it is not working or is going to a place or doing something it shouldn't. It could be there was a Brit on the panel and in the discussion he just said to himself it's skiving off then, and someone wrote it down thinking it was a precise technical term! Whatever ....it's not a word you would expect to see written in a formal document. Regards Mike -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Whittaker, Dewey (EHCOE) Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 8:17 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] The meaning of "skived" I am already pushing for some other changes to IPC-A-600 and this is IMHO an incorrect usage of the term. I am not sure of the time frame, but we'll get to yours briefly. Dewey -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Genny Gibbard Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 11:46 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] The meaning of "skived" So which ones of you are on the IPC-A-600 committee? You can consider editing this for the next rev. Because "skived" is the word used. Have a good day, eh? (from another Canadian) -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Whittaker, Dewey (EHCOE) Sent: May 8, 2008 12:00 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] The meaning of "skived" I am more used to the term skiving as it relates to compliant pins being pushed into Tin-lead plated-through holes. The skiving results in FOD. I think thieving is more in-line with what you are referring to. Dewey -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Genny Gibbard Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 10:34 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [TN] The meaning of "skived" Can anyone define "skived" as in: IPC-A-600 2.9.3.3 Ball Grid Array (Solder Dam) "....in order to avoid solder being skived from the attachment joint into the via." Online dictionaries define skive as: to slice off (leather, rubber, etc.) in thin layers; shave. It sort of gives me an idea, but it really isn't very clear. Thanks in advance. 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