When it comes to Capital, my Company tells me I have to get used to not getting my wishes. He has to get used to get his wishes. Dewey -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Graham Collins Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 8:27 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] SMT machine recommendation I think the only way Prashant can get close to these criteria is to go with a used machine - maybe a GSM-1 or something like that... it's quite a wish list. good luck! - Graham C -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Thayer, Wayne Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 11:30 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] SMT machine recommendation Hi Prashant! It sounds like your expectations may be a bit unrealistic. You can get a lower priced base cost machine, but all of the stuff you really want for prototyping is mostly what makes the more expensive machines more expensive! Prototypes want: -Fast programming/easy interface -Part value confirmation for passives -Smallest possible odd shaped parts -Perfect pattern recognition -Fast feeder setup and load/unload -Support for multiple feeder formats: T&R, stick, tray, or mini-tray OK, so you are probably willing to take a big hit on throughput, so that could drop the price of the machine a small amount, but all of the other stuff requires precision machining, lots of processing power and a good control system. We run a cheap system here. The machine has good placement accuracy, fair pattern recognition, and clunky but manageable software. It's a MannCorp and is about 5 years old. Required a lot of re-engineering to do 0201 parts (which MannCorp provided a lot of support for). Feeders are cheap and fairly maintenance intensive--requiring lots of tweaks while running jobs and they take a while to load/unload, particularly if you need to conserve parts as is often the case with small prototype runs. All things considered, I think it probably was the best choice for us at the time. Wayne Thayer -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of prashant chopra Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 8:56 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [TN] SMT machine recommendation Hi, We are planning to purchase a SMT pick and place machine for proto builds and NPI runs. We are looking for something in range of low to mid volume build (max may be 1000 nos. build). The important criteria for selection is --- 1. Base cost ---- range of 30,000 USD to 50,000 USD 2. Should be able to place chip components, odd shape parts, QFPs, BGAs. 3. Since we plan to buy one machine, so should be able to have high numbers of feeders which can be loaded in. Appreciate your valuable feedback and recommendations . Rgds Prashant --------------------------------- Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. 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