Wow... Jeff, I am impressed... Your 'prose' nearly competes with Dewey's puns on TechNet...(he is quite the 'pun celebrity' over there) Actually Steve... I think you would enjoy designing boards. After all you have seen and know about manufacturing you would be a great asset to a company as a designer... Check into the IPC DC CID program and see if it appeals to you. The point I think Jeff was making is that PCB designers are pretty much central to the process of product development and manufacturing because every thing they touch has an affect on someone else's requirements or needs. It is a challenge to keep up with all the different aspects of PCB design, 'constant learning' is a mode I have come to realize is essential to surviving in this industry. You need to understand a lot of other people's jobs and needs in order to design a board that can perform and still fit in the enclosure, not over heat, survive vibration, meet the electrical requirements and still be able to be manufactured, built and tested and serviced...at a profit... heheh... (can't forget the business aspect of this). Thanks to you and others I have learned a great deal from being subscribed to TechNet... and your comments and picture gallery service are very much appreciated. Best regards, Bill Brooks PCB Design Engineer, C.I.D.+ Tel: (760)597-1500 Fax: (760)597-1510 Datron World Communications, Inc. Vista, California -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Seeger [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 9:19 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [DC] [DC] Why do people "lurk" w/o participating? stephen gregory wrote: >> snip > >I'm subscribed to the designer council and read every email just to see if I can learn something about why you guys do the things you do to make my life miserable (GRIN). Just kidding... > It's true, Steve, misery only flows downhill. The only question is whether the it accumulates on the way or sticks to those handing it on downstream. > >Seriously, I hope to learn something when I read posts from this forum. If I can contribute, I do. Most of the stuff that's talked about is over my head a lot of the time. I secretly would like to become a designer one day, shhh...don't tell anybody. Maybe sometime in the future when I get tired of working on the manufacturing floor. > Don't do it! Our world is one of raining bits and insane goals! Warning, too many conflicting priorities! Ones and zeros and uV and kV and pF and nH and pS and and in^2 and X-Y-Z don't really mix well, it takes an awful lot of shaking! You must bend, fold, spindle and mutilate! Repeatedly! Blind vias get into your eye patterns and make you not see the ESD coming. The boiler plate rusts out and must be replaced, but you never get the moisture levels to a level that's acceptable to change it. And when you zoom out it looks like it did 30 years ago, but with more colors - and it wasn't that rancid 3am coffee that did it, honest officer! Just when everything's tristated, the near-field is quiet, and you can just about see your reflections in the PLLs, the marketing folks will want a different number of ports on a different form factor in a different use environment, but you can save the periods from the ends of the sentences in the original specs, right? Sorry folks - I had a good day yesterday. Doesn't happen often. -- Jeff Seeger Applied CAD Knowledge Inc Chief Technical Officer Tyngsboro, MA 01879 jseeger "at" appliedcad "dot" com 978 649 9800 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- DesignerCouncil Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8d To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF DesignerCouncil. To temporarily stop/(restart) delivery of DesignerCouncil send: SET DesignerCouncil NOMAIL/(MAIL) Search previous postings at: www.ipc.org > On-Line Resources & Databases > E-mail Archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-615-7100 ext.2815 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DesignerCouncil Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8d To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF DesignerCouncil. To temporarily stop/(restart) delivery of DesignerCouncil send: SET DesignerCouncil NOMAIL/(MAIL) Search previous postings at: www.ipc.org > On-Line Resources & Databases > E-mail Archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-615-7100 ext.2815 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------