Besides the increased temperature for Pb-Free you also hav Dave, Besides the increased temperature for Pb-Free you also have an increased Sn concentration (95% for Pb-Free and only 60% for near-eutectic SnPb solder) which can "suck-up" lots of Ag so it shouldn't matter if the Ag concentration is 1% or 35). Regards, George George M. Wenger Senior Principle FMA / Reliability Engineer Wireless network Solutions Andrew Corporation, 40 Technology Drive, Warren, NJ 07059 (908) 546-4531 [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David D. Hillman Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 8:31 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Soldering to Pt/Ag terminations Hi Peter! The original intent of implementing the Sn62 solder alloy was exactly as you described - using the 2% silver content of the alloy to alter the solder joint dissolution characteristics (the idea that the introduction of Sn62 alloy was a plot by evil metallurgists to takeover the electronics industry solder processes is just a myth started by Doug Pauls!). The use of SAC solder alloys families would seem to be a improvement for reducing the "leaching" effect due to the 1-4% silver content the alloys possess but also keep in mind that the melting temperature is going up by approximately 34C. We can't revise the laws of physics and the temperature impact outweighs the benefits we get from the increased silver contents. And yes, double sided reflow just adds another layer of complexity to the issue. Pbfree soldering has a much tighter process window than SnPb soldering. And your headaches probably don't stop there - depending on the alternative termination finish choice you might be trading leaching concerns for tin whisker concerns. Isn't Pbfree soldering fun! Dave Peter Barton <[log in to unmask]> Sent by: TechNet To <[log in to unmask]> [log in to unmask] cc 02/01/2007 03:05 Subject AM [TN] Soldering to Pt/Ag terminations Please respond to TechNet E-Mail Forum <[log in to unmask]> ; Please respond to Peter Barton <[log in to unmask]> Many thanks to all who responded to my question on the above subject, a couple of which confirm my own theories. It seem that parts with Pt/Ag (and for that matter others with a Silver content) terminations are susceptible to Silver leaching from the component metallisation into the bulk solder and that this is exacerbated by higher process temperatures. Now I am not a metallurgist so correct me if I am wrong - we used to employ 62Sn/36Pb/2Ag solder on hybrid assemblies to mitigate this type of problem back in the good old non-RoHS days. The theory being that the 2% Ag in the solder slowed the dissolution rate. As we are now using a solder with 3.5% silver should this not improve the situation, or do the higher process temperatures used just cancel this out? Dave Hillman has said that using these parts with SAC305 CAN be done with careful attention to the soldering process profile. We have done our best to minimise the TAL and the peak temperature, mindful of getting all the other components on the assembly reliably soldered also. The problem parts concerned are on both sides of a double sided assembly and those on the side that is reflowed twice are definitely much worse so I guess this confirms that they are not really suitable. Bit of a problem really as there is not an alternative part. Oh well - As a responsible contractor we will now inform our customer and await their response. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Barton Senior Process Engineer ACW Technology Ltd Dinas Isaf West Tonypandy Mid Glamorgan. 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