Chris,

we use this simple method for checking cleanliness. Cheap. Simple. Good
enough to us.
Nothing wrong with academics, don't misunderstand, but academics can
sometimes be
blind to simple ways. I love simplicity. Albert did too...he-he

http://www.ipc.org/4.0_Knowledge/4.1_Standards/test/2.6.13.pdf

Inge


----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Ball" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [TN] bareboard cleanliness related to surface finish


> Hello Inge-
>
> I asked because we are changing over to a new bareboard supplier for
> several different products. Actually, several different divisions within
> the company are moving a single product each to the new supplier. These
> are
> all mature, already in production parts. The previous shops either had no
> problem meeting the spec., or didn't meet it but we didn't know. The new
> shop is asking for exceptions to the requirement, and all the requests
> funnel back here.
>
> I see that they request different levels for different products. Sometimes
> different levels for the same product on different days, but that's
> another
> email....
>
> When I showed them an earlier request for a lower level they told me it
> was
> due to the different surface finish. That was a new thing to me, so I
> checked with the experts.
>
> So, not trying to split a whisker, and not even a psuedo-academic. Some of
> the other questions, concerns, and exceptions from the shop have made me
> generally suspicious. Maybe these are delay tactics. Just checking. And
> trying to get a little smarter at the same time. Reading this forum is
> pretty educational, IMHO. I appreciate the responses and apologize for not
> taking the time to research the archives first, but as a
> not-even-psuedo-academic, I usually follow the easiest path to
> enlightenment. ;-/
>
> Best Regards,
> -Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>                       "Ingemar Hernefjord
>                       \(KC/EMW\)"                       To:   "TechNet
> E-Mail Forum" <[log in to unmask]>, Chris
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>                       on.com>                           cc:
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> [TN] bareboard cleanliness related to
>                       09/14/2006 02:52 AM                 surface finish
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>
>
>
>
> Chris,
>
> Why do youi put the question? I've never heard about practical
> in-field-use problems based on ionic level diff between the two
> treatments. Never. Academics can always find hair cleaving topics, but
> we working with design production and marketing are more interested in
> the question "do they work?"
>
> Inge
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Chris Ball
> Sent: den 12 september 2006 20:19
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [TN] bareboard cleanliness related to surface finish
>
> Hello Gurus-
>
> Is it fair to expect a higher contamination on a HASL finished bareboard
> than, say ENIG? I would have expected the same level of cleanliness when
> receiving the bareboards, but new supplier says they have different
> levels for different finishes.
>
> We specify tighter than std. IPC levels and never varied the spec due to
> surface finish. Requests for exceptions have been rare and not related
> to surface finish.
>
> Any comments appreciated,
> -Chris
>
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