Brian, I use to see your words as kingswords, but in this case I must ask you to give an example on the astrociousity, please. My english isn't the best, maybe I've something to learn here...offline if you prefer that. Inge -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brian Ellis Sent: den 30 augusti 2006 18:01 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Does anyone else on Technet find this situation beyond c omprehension? On the whole, from a quick skim through, I find the doc is intelligible. The grammar is atrocious in places and the consistency of terminology is poor. A few hours work by a skilled technical editor would bring it up to scratch, IMHO. Brian Gerard O'Brien wrote: > Rudy - I would appreciate it when you decide to slam the work of the > committees that you correctly identify the committee you are having a > problem with. You say in the first paragraph that you received this > message pertaining to your negative vote on the immersion tin standard > but yet the message from Tom pertains to the 003B solderability standard. > As co-chairman of the committee responsible for the immersion tin > standard I would like to point out that a) you are not on the mailing > list, b) we did not receive a negative vote from you. > > > Regards > > Gerard O'Brien > Co-chairman of 4-14 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: R Sedlak [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 9:35 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: [TN] Does anyone else on Technet find this situation beyond > comprehension? > > Just in case anyone still has any remaining hopes that the IPC > might actually someday attempt to achieve something worthwhile, or > perhaps attempt to minimize the confusion in our world, I offer this > e-mail message which I received from the IPC in response to my > negative vote on the proposed Immersion Tin standards. > > It is important to realize, to get the full flavor of this message, > that the standard was submitted to me for my review with two options: 1. Accept > as written, or 2. reject, with reasons given for rejection. I rejected, > because the standard was written in a way which was essentially > unintelligible, and I could not even figure out what they were trying > to say. > I received the following message in return. > > > --------------------------------- > > From: Tom Newton [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 6:46 AM > To: Rudy Sedlak > Subject: Your Negative Vote Submitted Against IPC J-STD-003B > > > Rudy Sedlak: > > The IPC 5-23a Printed Wiring Board Solderability Specification Task > Group is in the final stages of resolving all Technical Comments for > the initial Ballot or potential upcoming Negative Vote Resolution > Ballot on IPC J-STD-003B, Solderability Tests for Printed Boards > document. Sadly, this is admittedly a > very long time since the original Ballot was closed at the end of > June 2006. > > Never-the-less, I am now responding back to you on your Negative > Vote submitted on June 26, 2006. > > Please note that I have attached this response to the full string of > E-mail correspondence we have had on this document, so that the > 'history' of these > communications is recorded. > > Your vote on the ballot for IPC J-STD-003B will be shown as having > been submitted toward the Ballot on IPC J-STD-003B. That is, IPC will show that > you did reply to the Ballot. > > However, because the following statement: > "The wording is so difficult to understand and convoluted, and it is > so verbose, it is essentially unintelligible. (And if I am offending > key people, I apologize, but somebody has to draw a line in the sand.)" > > that was provided as your sole support for your Negative Vote does > not contain at least one specific technical detail with a suggested > technical solution, your negative vote will not be accepted by the 5-23a Task Group. > > This response will be duly recorded with all of the actions > concerning the IPC Ballot for the IPC J-STD-003B document. > Additionally, if IPC has communication with the American National > Standards Institute (ANSI) on this document, your vote will be shown > as an "Unsupported Negative Vote" (one of ANSI's vote categories). > > Accordingly, IPC thanks you for your ballot submission on IPC J-STD-003B. > > Sincerely, > > Thomas D. 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