Hi Rudy! As the chairman of the JSTD-003 committee I can give you a response to the IPC reply you received. IPC has a negative vote procedure in which each negative vote is reviewed, comments dispositioned in terms of technical and editorial content, and a response is then sent to the individual submitting the negative vote. Your negative vote was processed through this procedure. No technical content was submitted and no editorial suggested revision verbiage was provided for the committee to review. The IPC reply you received was intended to inform you that your input was received, reviewed, and not ignored. All comments received as part of a specification ballot are considered important and are fully documented. If you feel that segments of a specification require revision, then I encourage you to provide specific proposed suggestions that the committee can review. The editorial comment you submitted to the specification ballot does not provide a proposed suggestion(s) that the committee could review and consider for inclusion. As the committee chairman, I do appreciate your participation in the specification ballot process. Dave Hillman JSTD-003 Chairman [log in to unmask] R Sedlak <rsedlak2000@YAHO O.COM> To Sent by: TechNet [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> cc Subject 08/29/2006 09:34 [TN] Does anyone else on Technet PM find this situation beyond comprehension? Please respond to TechNet E-Mail Forum <[log in to unmask]> ; Please respond to R Sedlak <rsedlak2000@YAHO O.COM> Just in case anyone still has any remaining hopes that the IPC might actually someday attempt to achieve something worthwhile, or perhaps attempt to minimize the confusion in our world, I offer this e-mail message which I received from the IPC in response to my negative vote on the proposed Immersion Tin standards. It is important to realize, to get the full flavor of this message, that the standard was submitted to me for my review with two options: 1. Accept as written, or 2. reject, with reasons given for rejection. I rejected, because the standard was written in a way which was essentially unintelligible, and I could not even figure out what they were trying to say. I received the following message in return. --------------------------------- From: Tom Newton [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 6:46 AM To: Rudy Sedlak Subject: Your Negative Vote Submitted Against IPC J-STD-003B Rudy Sedlak: The IPC 5-23a Printed Wiring Board Solderability Specification Task Group is in the final stages of resolving all Technical Comments for the initial Ballot or potential upcoming Negative Vote Resolution Ballot on IPC J-STD-003B, Solderability Tests for Printed Boards document. Sadly, this is admittedly a very long time since the original Ballot was closed at the end of June 2006. Never-the-less, I am now responding back to you on your Negative Vote submitted on June 26, 2006. Please note that I have attached this response to the full string of E-mail correspondence we have had on this document, so that the ‘history’ of these communications is recorded. Your vote on the ballot for IPC J-STD-003B will be shown as having been submitted toward the Ballot on IPC J-STD-003B. That is, IPC will show that you did reply to the Ballot. However, because the following statement: “The wording is so difficult to understand and convoluted, and it is so verbose, it is essentially unintelligible. (And if I am offending key people, I apologize, but somebody has to draw a line in the sand.)” that was provided as your sole support for your Negative Vote does not contain at least one specific technical detail with a suggested technical solution, your negative vote will not be accepted by the 5-23a Task Group. This response will be duly recorded with all of the actions concerning the IPC Ballot for the IPC J-STD-003B document. Additionally, if IPC has communication with the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) on this document, your vote will be shown as an “Unsupported Negative Vote” (one of ANSI’s vote categories). Accordingly, IPC thanks you for your ballot submission on IPC J-STD-003B. Sincerely, Thomas D. 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