Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, The IPC clearly took a leaf out of the European politician's book. You said it was unintelligible which was not a technical argument and so was rejected. I applied for an exemption to the EU for lead in solders on the grounds that the alternates were environmentally damaging - which was rejected because I would have to list specifically EVERY instance where that solder was used, chip caps, chip resistors etc. So Rudy in the spirit that your vote was made I suggest you write directly to the ANSI review board on the issue since an unintelligibly written standard does not require in my opinion at least a technical argument, it needs ACTION by the reviewing committee to correct the situation. Or am I missing something here. I believe Werner is having similar issues with content on slash sheets for laminates not being too useful. John -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of R Sedlak Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 7:35 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [TN] Does anyone else on Technet find this situation beyond comprehension? Just in case anyone still has any remaining hopes that the IPC might actually someday attempt to achieve something worthwhile, or perhaps attempt to minimize the confusion in our world, I offer this e-mail message which I received from the IPC in response to my negative vote on the proposed Immersion Tin standards. It is important to realize, to get the full flavor of this message, that the standard was submitted to me for my review with two options: 1. Accept as written, or 2. reject, with reasons given for rejection. I rejected, because the standard was written in a way which was essentially unintelligible, and I could not even figure out what they were trying to say. I received the following message in return. --------------------------------- From: Tom Newton [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 6:46 AM To: Rudy Sedlak Subject: Your Negative Vote Submitted Against IPC J-STD-003B Rudy Sedlak: The IPC 5-23a Printed Wiring Board Solderability Specification Task Group is in the final stages of resolving all Technical Comments for the initial Ballot or potential upcoming Negative Vote Resolution Ballot on IPC J-STD-003B, Solderability Tests for Printed Boards document. Sadly, this is admittedly a very long time since the original Ballot was closed at the end of June 2006. Never-the-less, I am now responding back to you on your Negative Vote submitted on June 26, 2006. Please note that I have attached this response to the full string of E-mail correspondence we have had on this document, so that the 'history' of these communications is recorded. Your vote on the ballot for IPC J-STD-003B will be shown as having been submitted toward the Ballot on IPC J-STD-003B. That is, IPC will show that you did reply to the Ballot. However, because the following statement: "The wording is so difficult to understand and convoluted, and it is so verbose, it is essentially unintelligible. (And if I am offending key people, I apologize, but somebody has to draw a line in the sand.)" that was provided as your sole support for your Negative Vote does not contain at least one specific technical detail with a suggested technical solution, your negative vote will not be accepted by the 5-23a Task Group. This response will be duly recorded with all of the actions concerning the IPC Ballot for the IPC J-STD-003B document. Additionally, if IPC has communication with the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) on this document, your vote will be shown as an "Unsupported Negative Vote" (one of ANSI's vote categories). Accordingly, IPC thanks you for your ballot submission on IPC J-STD-003B. Sincerely, Thomas D. 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