Richard has made excellent points. The scope however only addresses the quality and acceptability of the rework or repair. It is up to you to determine the impact to your reliability. This is one area where I still disagree with IPC on combining the two documents. When IPC-7711 was first written, it was to depict acceptable methodologies that could be used to return the non-conformance back to an acceptance level that would meet the criteria defined in IPC-A-610 for the class it was originally built to. IPC-7721 was for repair and modification and in some cases no real requirements. I envisioned skilled and trained operators using Metcals to Barney Fife in the back of Wal-Mart using a Lincoln arc welder. Some of the problem is terminology. I think the following is more correct: * Rework- return to compliance or conformance, no MRB required, traveler notice * Standard Repair- return to functional conformance, no MRB required, traveler notice * Repair- return to functional acceptability, MRB required, traveler notice * Modification- establish functional capability, MRB and ECO required, traveler notice Dewey -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Stadem, Richard D. Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 6:42 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] IPC-A-610D The processes for REWORK outlined in IPC 7711/7721 are done in order to bring the product back into compliance with IPC-A-610D. If the inspector is certified to 610D then they can inspect the rework. The REPAIRS outlined in this document do not bring the product into print compliance. Some additional material is required that is not on the BOM or assembly drawing, such as wire jumpers, epoxy, etc. The repair brings the product back into form, fit, and functionality, but is still non-compliant material. Therefore review from your Materials Review Board of the damage and inspection of the repair documented on a non-compliant materials report should be performed. Typically you must have MRB authority from your customer for performing repairs, and they may request advance notification and authorization of the usage of any particular repair procedure. -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Chafin, Ken G. Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 8:07 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [TN] IPC-A-610D If one is IPC certified per IPC-A-610 to inspect electronic assemblies, is one thereby recognized as competent to inspect reworked, repaired or modified electronic assemblies (Ref: IPC-7711, IPD-7721). Or is special inspection training required for this per IPC? I don't know if I have asked the question properly but I would be interested in any comments. 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