Hi Chuck, Joe, Bev, Brian, ENet Listservers, Thanks Chuck, Just after that Gore movie I went looking for the article in Science that was a meta review of published literature on Global Warming. If you find and read the article please post the Science issue date. It was supposed to be conclusive, yet I gave up looking for it for now since I am too busy on other stuff. Another article just released that I only saw in the press was about long term oceanic warming by ocean scientists. It was a slam dunk per the press. Chuck, in spite of the going up and down and a slow rise it still has to be happening according to visual records of ice and at the poles, and mathematically due to the increasing population and the increasing industrialization of our world. BTW some parts of the south pole are actually growing ice. Yours in Engineering, Dave YiEngr, MA/NY DDave