Please don't forget that this new "initiative" is giving all of us a lot more work.... and guess what ! If it doesn't work out well, we get to relayout those same boards with new components. Don't be an idiot and cut your own job. ;-) Karl From: George Patrick <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: "(Designers Council Forum)" <[log in to unmask]>, [log in to unmask] To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [DC] The RoHS ban of lead in solders Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:22:49 -0700 Are the members of the EC directly elected by their constituents, or are they elected by the governing bodies (parliament, etc) of the countries they represent, or are they appointed by the leaders of those countries? <OPINION> If they are "elected" by the politicians or appointed by the leaders, you are _NEVER_ going to change their minds by a petition, because there is absolutely NOTHING the petitioners can do to cause them to lose their undoubtedly well paid jobs. If they are directly voted into office by the people they represent, a petition is going to do little, because they figure most of the electorate really don't have a clue, nor do they care to find out. Politicians are the same world over. Get used to it, RoHS is here to stay, and the more obvious it is that they screwed up the more the politicians will hunker down and ignore the evidence. </OPINION> <:^) -- George Patrick Tektronix, Inc. Central Engineering, EDS Applications Support P.O. Box 500, M/S 39-512 Beaverton, OR 97077-0001 * 503-627-5272 (voice) * 503-627-5587 (fax) http://www.tektronix.com http://www.pcb-designer.com "Off-Grid and Proud of it!" -----Original Message----- From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brooks,Bill Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 13:56 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [DC] The RoHS ban of lead in solders I feel the need to express myself regarding the ban on lead in solder we know and 'love' as RoHS... I'm not doing this as a representative of any organization... these are just my personal thoughts... Personally, I am convinced that the lead free solder substitutes for eutectic tin/lead solder are ultimately going to prove be not as reliable, cost effective or environmentally beneficial as the normal solders we have always used for decades that have always contained lead. Also, I am convinced that the worldwide impact of the printed circuit and electronics component and assembly industries changing to lead free solders will be worse environmentally than it would have been if they had not changed at all. John Burke, a member of the TechNet e-mail forum has taken on the challenge of pushing back against this 'lemming like' rush to what many consider madness... http://www.rohsusa.com/ Many of our colleagues are supporting his views and efforts to bring back some common sense to this industry... If you have not seen or been given the opportunity to sign the petition to remove the ban on lead in solder that has been imposed by the EU under the legislation of the RoHS initiative... Please check it out at the following website. http://www.petitiononline.com/RoHSUSA1/petition.html Currently there are 211 signatures on the petition... Help protect the environment and our industry... and add your name to the others who are willing to push back against RoHS. Best regards, Bill Brooks, CID+ Vista, California http://www.pcbwizards.com/leadfree.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------- DesignerCouncil Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8d To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF DesignerCouncil. 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