Very good points well made, thanks to both. As a collective between the lead free forum and this group we have 3 major articles in the press in the last two working days. The one in World Magazine,on Friday: http://www.worldmag.com/articles/11798 The one I just put in Green Supply line Magazine (Thanks Gina) which highlights how to get an exemption from lead free solder on environmental grounds-: http://www.greensupplyline.com/187002293 And the one published by Gordon in PCB 007 http://tinyurl.com/kmyuy Anyone has contacts in Radio or TV let me know...............8-) Anyone who is wondering why I have not been answering mail - this thing had me up 'till one this morning and on the day job we are in the middle of a package design................8-) John -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dale Ritzen Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 2:01 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] NTC Get the Lead Out Werner, Thank you very much for making my point better than I did... You are going to have to overcome years of this kind of misinformation and junk science to get to the common man who votes on a regular basis. The way to turn this tide is to get them "informed", through any means possible that doesn't make you sound like you're trying to buck common "tribal knowledge". You have to hit them in the places they know best - like television and radio news that doesn't pander to one ideology or the other, so you get a fair rendering of your argument. The only non-aligned TV or radio network that comes to mind is the public radio and TV stations here in the States. However, they do tend to be on the "green" side of things so logical arguments presented via that media may even come under attack from those that offer to present the facts. I'm not saying that this can't be turned back through massive requests for exemption by every industry. In fact, that's a pretty good ploy until your stockholders get the word that you're "not green". Has anyone attempted to point either National Public Radio or affiliated TV stations toward John's Push Back website? If you're going to attack this thing and kill it, we need to take a multi-pronged stab at it. My 0.02 Euros worth... And I'll get off my soap box now... Dale Ritzen Quality Manager Austin Manufacturing Services -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Werner Engelmaier Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 3:37 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] NTC Get the Lead Out Hi Dale, Unfortunately you are citing another example of junk science pobular knowledge. "...they only know that drinking water from lead pipes (or with leaded solders) is bad for you." The first part refers to the Roman aqueducts that contained lead linings and pipes-a study I read not too long ago actually attributes the Pb-poisioning of the roman nobility to the fact that they drank their wine [acitic] from Pb-leaching vessels [Brian, please correct me if I am wrong on this]. the second one with the Pb-bearing solder used to solder copper water pipes is definitely a red herring. In New Jersey, the copper pipes were initially replaced with PCP pipes-these leach indefinitely, but what was worse, they sand blasted the Pb-containing paint off of highway bridges [how many kids have you seen chewing paint off of a highway bridge?] which of course made it air-borne and thus contaminated the backyards of people's houses close by. 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