Hi Genny, A good time to chime in: I suggest and always use three alphas for the month, so today it is 2May06 or 2-May-06. That format will not generate any confusion anywhere in the world. The format year/month/day is really a logical format, because when sorting on that date format, the results are in time order. But preventing confusion is more important than to have a nice sortable format. Have fun, Ahne. -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Genny Gibbard Sent: Tuesday, 02 May, 2006 13:23 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Materials Declaration One more email from me about this. Any way to change the date format? It is kind of an unusual format. 2006-05-02. For a date like May 2, I feel this could be mis-interpreted as Feb 5, since it doesn't define the date format in the form. Internally, we use the day/mo/yr format. It seems it is common to see mo/day/yr in the US, so I'm surprised that wasn't used. Why was yr/mo/day chosen? And why won't it allow the month "name" instead of just the number, to avoid any ambiguity? Second question (group): Can I send the whole zip file to a supplier if they have subcontracters that they might want to use it with, or should they go to the IPC website and download it personally? I am thinking of a supplier that makes mechanical parts, that might not normally be registered with IPC? Would they be restricted from downloading it themselves from the IPC website? OK, I'm questioned out, for now. This has been a big week for me with posts...and it's only Tuesday. -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Burke Sent: May 1, 2006 12:41 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Materials Declaration Hi Genny. Originally I was trying to get data to RoHS declaration PLUS the Jig list as well as manufacturing data (Class 4). In my previous employment, the problem I had with this was that in a lot of cases I was getting zero response due to the jig a and b lists. When I "toned down" the requests to "just RoHS" (class 1) or "RoHS plus manufacturing info (class 2) the response hit rate was much better as well as faster. There are professional "data gathering" companies out there who have an amazing record of response rate since they have the bandwidth to be tenacious. I have found that setting realistic goals on the response time of around 1 month and sending "reminder" emails as a count-down" to the goal dates worked well. Unfortunately, there are only 2 months left...............8-( John John Burke Senior Manager - Operations , Optichron [log in to unmask] W: 510 249 5233 M: 408 515 4992 http://www.optichron.com Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/e/fps/2665502/ -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Genny Gibbard Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 10:56 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Materials Declaration I have more questions about this. I was just taking a closer look at the forms (finally had the time). I like how simple it appears to fill out. What class were you trying to get people to fill it out to? Right now, we probably only need class 1, but we might need a higher class at a later date. I don't know whether to try to get the higher class data right away, or go back to suppliers later if needed. If you were requesting a higher class, were you having much trouble getting the additional detailed info out of suppliers, or did they generally have that available already? -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Burke Sent: April 24, 2006 10:35 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Materials Declaration I worked on some of the committee sessions for the IPC 218 and so had an early start. To be honest though I just threw together a PowerPoint showing which bits they had to fill out and why. Sent them electronically BUT you should also send them a note with a link to the adobe wed site so that they open them with the free version 7 reader otherwise the whole thing gets messed up. John John Burke Senior Manager - Operations , Optichron [log in to unmask] W: 510 249 5233 M: 408 515 4992 http://www.optichron.com Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/e/fps/2665502/ -----Original Message----- From: Kane, Amol (349) [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:15 AM To: John Burke; TechNet E-Mail Forum Subject: RE: [TN] Materials Declaration Thank you John, A couple of follow up questions if you may.....did you yourself attend any training on the use of the document? The standard DOES look pretty self explanatory...also are you filing these electronically to/from the vendors or sending hard copies to the vendors and then keeping in your records? I have to make the implementation decision soon, so getting all the info I can before making a final plan. Regards, Amol Kane M.S (Industrial Eng.) Process Engineer Harvard Custom Manufacturing 941 Route 38 Owego, NY 13827 Phone: (607) 687-7669 x349 [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: John Burke [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 12:11 PM To: TechNet E-Mail Forum; Kane, Amol (349) Subject: RE: [TN] Materials Declaration Yes, and got replies from all vendors, although we had to train most of them on filling it out. John John Burke Senior Manager - Operations , Optichron [log in to unmask] W: 510 249 5233 M: 408 515 4992 http://www.optichron.com Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/e/fps/2665502/ -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kane, Amol (349) Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 4:59 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [TN] Materials Declaration Hi all, Has anyone started using the IPC materials declaration (IPC-1752-1 or IPC-1752-2) to ask for information from their component suppliers regarding RoHS compliancy? If not, what are the common criteria for doing this currently? Thanks, Amol Kane M.S (Industrial Eng.) 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