Amen, brother :) David >From: Phil Nutting <[log in to unmask]> >Reply-To: TechNet E-Mail Forum <[log in to unmask]>, Phil Nutting ><[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: [TN] NTC RE: [TN] So much for lead free being environmentally >friendly >Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:58:57 -0500 > >And they take it from us to give to countries that will never pay it back. >What about our own people who are homeless, have no health insurance, or >can't get a job because we sent their skill set offshore to a country where >labor is cheaper. > >Oops (falling down), just tripped off my soap box. > >Phil > >-----Original Message----- >From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Cheryl Johnson >Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:16 AM >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: [TN] So much for lead free being environmentally friendly > >Just want to point out that "gov" has no money - only what they take from >us... > >Sincerely, >----------------------------------- >Cheryl Johnson, C.I.D.+ >Manager >ExcelStor US Office, Engineering Services >Email: [log in to unmask] >Tel: (303) 684-7291 >Fax: (303) 684-7268 >Mobile: (303) 809-5815 >----------------------------------- > > >-----Original Message----- >From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Joyce Koo >Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:00 AM >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: [TN] So much for lead free being environmentally friendly > > >Rudy, >on the "positive" side, I did hear about someone mentioned leadfree creat >jobs... otherwise, many of the engineer, consultant, new grads will be out >of job...They mostly paid by "gov"...I also heard someone said :when you >don't have job, you creat job...you have to justify your existance...(sad >sad... ). > jk > >-----Original Message----- >From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of R Sedlak >Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 5:22 PM >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: [TN] So much for lead free being environmentally friendly > > >John: It has been discussed at length, and acknowleged, on this forum >previously that Lead-Free is environmentally negative... you seem to think >that the politician who put this in place actually give a s**t about the >environment! This is a political move, that is all. > >Get used to it... it is part of the world going to hell.. guided by >politicians.. >And get this clear in your mind, I am talking not about any war... but >about >lead-free, RoHS and Weee! Do we understand? :-) > >Rudy Sedlak > >John Burke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: I may be mistaken but I have never >seen a press release or announcement >for the EPA report on Solders in Electronics: A Life-Cycle Assessment >[PDF] > >(3.53 MB, 472 pages) > > > >This 472 page weighty tome was apparently published in August 2005. > > > >I checked with a couple of industry peers and they never saw it either. > > > >Interestingly, it appears that SAC alloy has a higher impact than tin >lead in a number of areas such as: > > > >Non renewable resource use > >Energy use > >Global warming > >Ozone depletion > >Water Quality > > > >I understand why this report might not be widely heralded by those with >a commercial interest in lead free replacements, but as a US tax payer I >for one would like the results of such an analysis to be widely read and >available should the decision ever have to be made for instance, for >reasons of reliability, to reverse the decision to remove lead from >solders in Europe. > > > >For anyone thinking that I am "knocking" lead free - you are right - >there continues to be no reason to support it given that WEEE laws in >Europe mean that electronics never end up in a landfill anyway so >leaching arguments and measurement methods are somewhat academic. > > > >I do however have a passionate concern for the environment. It makes me >mad when I see that the "environmentally friendly" replacement for >eutectic leaded solder is actually having a much greater impact on non >renewable resources. Check out tables ES-4 and ES-5. > > > > >From the report: > > > >2The difference between SAC and SnPb is 453 kg of NRR per 1,000 cc of >solder applied. If this were all > >automotive gasoline, this difference is equivalent to 162 gallons of >gasoline. Assuming a driver consumes 20 > >gallons per week, this is also equivalent to approximately 8 weeks of >driving. > > > >Anyway for environmentalists and engineers everywhere here is the link: > > > >http://www.epa.gov/opptintr/dfe/pubs/solder/lca/index.htm > > > > > >Kind regards, > > > >John Burke > > >--------------------------------------------------- >Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e >To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in >the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet >To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to >[log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) >To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to >[log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest >Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives >Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 >for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or >847-615-7100 ext.2815 >----------------------------------------------------- > > > >--------------------------------- > >--------------------------------------------------- >Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e >To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in >the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet >To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to >[log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) >To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to >[log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest >Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives >Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 >for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or >847-615-7100 ext.2815 >----------------------------------------------------- >Yahoo! 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