Thanks Joe, Actually that just woke me up, How can someone get a patent on "embedded actives" when SMART card manufacturers have been putting them into cards since around '86 or so?? And thinking about it I helped put a full blown computer chip into a SMART card along with LED's etc just before Christmas..... John John Burke Senior Manager - Operations , Optichron [log in to unmask] W: 510 249 5233 M: 408 515 4992 http://www.optichron.com Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/e/fps/2665502/ -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Joe Fjelstad Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 4:53 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] embedded components You may wish to go even further back in the time machine. Unistructure was develoing and building such product in the 1980s, Look also at the work of DEC (later Micro Module Systems) and GE from the early 1990s Matushita (it might have been Mitsubishi) showed embedded actives as well for smart card applications. Joe --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-615-7100 ext.2815 ----------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-615-7100 ext.2815 -----------------------------------------------------