So Richard, are you recommending the "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffel them with bullsh*t" approach? Jeffrey McGlaughlin, CID Engineering Designer EAS 4-2-50 room x-7582 Phone (614)458-7582 Fax -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Stadem, Richard D. Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 1:54 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] System International Units versus Imperial English units?? Don't put him on the spot. That is not a good thing to do to an auditor. Instead, give him a conspiratorial wink and acknowledge his observation with a remark such as "Hey, you're a pretty sharp guy to pick up on that!" Then ask him where he learned about the elementary constituants of a thermally active physical system, where kBT is temperature expressed in terms of Boltzmann's constant, in Kelvin. And did he know that thermodynamic equilibrium is defined by a relation between the amount of heat incident on the system during an infinitesimal quasistatic transformation, and what is the variation of its time-to-entropy during the transformation? If he nods wisely, ask him what are his feelings about the effects of the gas expansion factor when calculating the Zeroth dynamic during measurements of the thermal mass to entropy betweem multiple static objects collectively within a vacuum using Boltzmann's theory of distribution. At this point, while he stands there and stutters with his eyes glazed over, let him know that the reasons you used only temperatures Celcius, is because after much research looking at the Carnot heat engine equivalency of a standard PWB using a dissipation factor of 10 while powered up with 100kiv/cm squared, it was apparent that with the heat conduction factor being what it is at 22 gigahertz and its effect on the overall conductance, the only apparent measurements that would work would be in the Reaumur, Rankine, Delisle, and Newton units for the needed accuracy inherent to the process, because the conversion factors from these to the terakelvin range are beyond the scope of the computational system you are using to meet the contract. And the dweebs in IS cannot provide any more memory capability to your desktop PC. The key here is to answer their questions precisely. -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Graham Naisbitt Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:06 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] System International Units versus Imperial English units?? Now if you really want to put this guy on the spot, tell him that, according to all International Standards, temperatures must be measured in Degrees Kelvin and could you borrow his thermometer. Don't shoot me, I'm only the messenger...... Graham Naisbitt On 11/1/06 16:31, "Douglas O. Pauls" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > What you might also do is to put down the number in every possible > unit you can think of, C, F, K, hell make up a few units. Take it to > an absurd level to make your point. > > Doug Pauls > > > > > Ahne Oosterhof > <[log in to unmask] >> To > Sent by: TechNet [log in to unmask] > <[log in to unmask]> cc > > Subject > 01/11/2006 09:39 Re: [TN] System International Units > AM versus Imperial English units?? > > > Please respond to > [log in to unmask] > > > > > > > Oh boy, that is funny. > So why am I crying? > > Ahne. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Rick Thompson > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 12:03 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: [TN] System International Units versus Imperial English units?? > > We have a customer who is questioning how we audit soldering iron > temperatures per J-STD-001D. All of our monitoring is done in Celsius > which is the main unit of measure in the standard. Imperial English > (Fahrenheit) is only used as a reference shown in parentheses. The > auditor is insisting that we need to measure in both units, i.e. we > have a temperature with a > +/- > 15C tolerance and we would also need to measure it in degrees F at +/- 27F. > > My question is has anyone come up against this type of issue and how > did you handle it? We've cited the section of the standard where it > explicitly indicates that the IE units are equivalent and shown for > reference only but this response was deemed as 'inadequate'. I'd > typically put this in the category of Friday afternoon humor except we > have a corrective action to respond to due to this. > > Thanks for any comments or feedback. > > > Rick Thompson > Sr. SMT Process Engineer > CTS Electronics Manufacturing Solutions > > +1 (805) 532-2800 x-193 > [log in to unmask] > www.ctscorp.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To > unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in > the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt > or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to > [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing > per day of all the posts: send e-mail to > [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest > Search the archives of previous posts at: > http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site > http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 > for additional 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