Trevor, I stand corrected, thanks for pointing that out. But shouldn't the T&B declaration state that their parts are in compliance with RoHS? Or state "compliant in accordance with Note 7 of the Directive Annex"? The way that T&B currently has it worded, you don't know if they are compliant per the Annex (under 4%) or non-compliant (over 4%). You definitely need to ask T&B, and get their response in writing to demonstrate a minimum level of due diligence.... Mike McMonagle Quality Engineer OYO Geospace 7007 Pinemont Drive Houston, TX 77040 713-986-8650 -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Trevor Chainey Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 8:06 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] verifying RoHS Compliance Phil/Mike, Lead up to a maximum of 4.0% is permitted in copper alloy. 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You should carry out your own virus checks before opening the attachment. -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Michael McMonagle Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 13:43 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] verifying RoHS Compliance Phil, If the homogenous copper 'amalgam' contains more than 0.1% lead by weight, the part is not compliant. I have seen quite a few vendors using this "compliant except for" terminology, and find it alternately amusing and aggravating. Your part is either compliant or it's not, there's no in-between. That's like your daughter coming home and saying she's just a little bit pregnant.... Mike McMonagle Quality Engineer OYO Geospace 7007 Pinemont Drive Houston, TX 77040 713-986-8650 -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Phil Nutting Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 7:30 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] verifying RoHS Compliance Mike If the lead is a part of the alloy for ductility isn't it then homogeneous? If not, then we are forced to remove this vendor from our approved vendor list. This brings up my e-mail to the IPC Lead-Free mail list, which I have copied below. OK, here goes a short rant. I received an internal "New Part Number Request" form with a part that the vendor says will be compliant by 7/1/06. HELLO!!! I need all my parts to be compliant by 4/1/06 (at the latest) so I can integrate (assemble) them and test my product before shipping. Are these vendors so arrogant that they don't realize the potential pain this will cause their customers? Are they going to pay for the lost revenue because we didn't get compliant parts until the day we need to ship completed products? Note to vendors, if you can't supply compliant parts when I need them I'll find one that will. Sigh. I feel better now, so I'll get off my soapbox. Just my opinion, please don't be offended. Are there any industry icons, movers and shakers or other influential types out there that are listening that can help wake up manufacturers? Being compliant BY 7/1/06 just ain't gonna cut it! Phil Nutting -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Michael McMonagle Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 8:20 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] verifying RoHS Compliance Kelly, If they are telling you they are compliant EXCEPT for lead in copper, they are not fully compliant with RoHS.... Mike McMonagle Quality Engineer OYO Geospace 7007 Pinemont Drive Houston, TX 77040 713-986-8650 -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kelly Vavak Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 7:11 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [TN] verifying RoHS Compliance I am trying to verify RoHS Compliance for our inventory. I have a question about a response I got from T&B. Their answer for many of their products is "Compliant under RoHS except lead in copper". Can anyone tell me if this is truly OK under the directive? Thanks for any help on this. Kelly D. 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