Oh man... a I feel a song coming... "Look for the Union Label... " :) Why not... the Electrical workers have a union... the teamsters have one... why shouldn't we have one too? Not a bad idea... :p Bill Brooks - KG6VVP PCB Design Engineer, C.I.D.+, C.I.I. Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510 Datron World Communications, Inc. _______________________________________ San Diego Chapter of the IPC Designers Council Communications Officer, Web Manager http://dcchapters.ipc.org/SanDiego/ http://pcbwizards.com -----Original Message----- From: Howell Electronic Services [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 11:31 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [DC] "Designed in USA" (or perhaps a union graphic/logo on pcb's instead) Not many managers are going to like this but... If there was a Union for designers, I would join because: a. they would work to protect my job here in the usa (call me xenophobic if you want) b. ... your ideas on how a union would help Designers Council members (not the Designers Counsel itself) go here ... This Union would have a logo/graphic "bug" much like the printers union, that indicated the design was done by a union member, which could be inconspicuously placed on any board. Regards- Michael Howell *Howell Electronic Services <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Emhowell777> * 4474 Hillcrest Road, Medford, OR 97504 541-734-2666 tel / 541-601-0887 cell George Patrick wrote: >Sorry, Cherie, but if you can't mark a board MADE IN USA unless every >part is MADE IN USA (an absolute impossibility), is seems reasonable to >any government weenie that it can't be marked DESIGNED IN USA unless >everything used in the design was DESIGNED IN USA. Remember, everything >not specifically permitted is prohibited when you're dealing with the >government... > >And you'll have the Department of Redundancy Department after you for >arguing about it, too <:^) > >--=20 >George Patrick >Tektronix, Inc. >Central Engineering, Engineering Design Services >P.O. Box 500, M/S 39-512 >Beaverton, OR 97077-0001 >Phone: 503-627-5272 Fax: 503-627-5587 >http://www.tektronix.com http://www.pcb-designer.com > >It's my opinion, not Tektronix'=20 > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of >Litson, Cherie >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 10:36 >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: [DC] "Designed in USA" > > >Excuse me???? (I can't let this one slip by.) Software does not >"design" a board. It's just a tool that is used to do the work. Even if >you auto route, the "Designer" has to set up all the rules to make that >work. > >Cherie > > >-----Original Message----- >From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of >George Patrick >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 8:38 AM >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: [DC] "Designed in USA" > >Depends on which software package you use, Gary. Can't have DESIGNED IN >USA on a board if you are using software programmed off shore :) > >-- >George Patrick >Tektronix, Inc. >Central Engineering, Engineering Design Services P.O. Box 500, M/S >39-512 Beaverton, OR 97077-0001 >Phone: 503-627-5272 Fax: 503-627-5587 >http://www.tektronix.com http://www.pcb-designer.com > >It's my opinion, not Tektronix'=20 > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Gary >M. Koven >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 06:29 >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: [DC] "Designed in USA" > > >Most of us in the USA who've been designing boards for several years >might remember when we could put "MADE IN USA" on our boards and we did >so with pride. > > > >Then in 1997 the Federal Trade Commission issued their "ENFORCEMENT >POLICY STATEMENT ON U.S. ORIGIN CLAIMS (Federal Trade Commission, >December 1997)". >You can Google it and read all the legalese. > > > >Since then, except for the exceedingly rare situation whereby a company >fabricates all its glass and assembles all its components totally in the >USA, we can't, and don't, put "MADE IN USA" on our boards any more. > > > >But how about "DESIGNED IN USA"? Is anybody in this forum putting >"DESIGNED IN USA" on their boards? That would seem to be permissible >within the legalese of the FTC document under Section B, "Claims about >Specific Processes or Parts". > > > >Or have our oligarchs, with their offshoring of PCB assembly, already >rendered "DESIGNED IN USA" also a dead horse? > > > > > >Best Regards, > > > >---------------------------- > >Gary M. 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