I agree with Brian. Things are better left as they are in my opinion. Regards, Eric Christison Mechanical Engineer Home, Personal, Communication Sector - Imaging Division STMicroelectronics 33 Pinkhill Edinburgh EH12 7BF Tel: +44 (0)131 336 6165 Fax: +44 (0)131 336 6001 > -----Original Message----- > From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brian Ellis > Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 8:35 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [TN] New IPC email forum > > Has no one ever heard of concurrent engineering? If there were no > assemblers to give feedback to the fab guys and no fab guys to tell the > assemblers what they can or cannot do, then we would have no industry at > all. I'll go farther, the designers must be in the equation, AND the > development engineers, AND the purchasing managers. If we cannot all > talk with one voice or sing the same song, then we are wasting valuable > company funds. All these guys MUST talk with each other, all the time > and any schism is counter-productive. Even if we work in different > factories doing different jobs, our aim is to produce one single article > as economically as possible, while respecting the technical imperatives. > Splitting knowledge apart will not achieve this and, taking this to a > logical conclusion, we shall split the IPC into two or more separate > organisations, each believing they are holier than the others, with zero > dialogue. > > Personally, I have been professionally working with printed circuitry > since 1955 (yes, 50 whole years!!!) and I have had deep experience in > all the aspects of the business from being a development engineer, > through designer and vendor of designing tools, director of a high-tech > PCB fab plant, assembler AND purchaser and I **KNOW** that you cannot > isolate any one aspect from the others. In fact, I'll go so far as to > say that most, possibly as much as 90%, of the problems encountered > within our industry are because of lack of communications between the > various factions who prefer to isolate themselves in an ivory tower and > hope the rest of the world bends round their ideas. So, in the name of > sanity and efficiency in our industry, do NOT split (rather, merge more > of the guys in the equation. > > Brian > > Franklin Asbell wrote: > > With a show of hands (yes, we can see you) how many out there would be > > interested in subscribing to an IPC email forum for pcb (rigid, flex, > > rigid-flex, hi-rel, mil, etc) fabrication topics. > > > > Franklin > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e > > To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in > > the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet > > To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to > [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) > > To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: > SET Technet Digest > > Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives > > Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 for > additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-615- > 7100 ext.2815 > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > > > -- > ______________________________________________ > Please note new e-mail address [log in to unmask] > > --------------------------------------------------- > Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e > To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in > the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet > To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: > SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) > To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: > SET Technet Digest > Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives > Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 for > additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-615- > 7100 ext.2815 > ----------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-615-7100 ext.2815 -----------------------------------------------------