Steve, From your last post I realized you not aware of or a fan of my attempts at humor. You must not have been old enough to see the first Saturday Night Live shows with Rosanne Rosanneadana or you would have realized I meant do disrespect to Fabricators. I am sorry if you were offended. Dewey -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Steve Hodge Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 8:14 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] <List>Re: [TN] <List>Re: [TN] New Old Topic Valerie, thanks for the encouragement. I pondered over the "send" button for a long while. I was not exactly "crushed" but my ego (we all have one) was dented. I was going to refrain from posting my comments until the "whopper post". That angered me to the point where I had to left click the send. That comment was not funny or even tastefully clever. I can handle and respect contradiction, appreciate productive debate and enjoy good natured humor. But when it comes to a question of one's honesty in an industry forum--not cool. At 08:56 AM 10/07/2005, you wrote: >Steve, > >This was a courageous reply. I know you took some heat and some >scolding for your opinion. Myself, I have had a mixed response to this >and the other forums. I too have felt like I was talking into a black >hole - and there wasn't even an echo to leave any indication that I had >tried to communicate. But then I have also had a few people write back >to me directly, off line, and thank me for trying to help or giving >them a lead on where to go for information. I also have felt rebuffed >when someone with more "authority" speaks and takes a contrary >position. For all the "good old boys" listening in: you mean well, to >be sure, but I doubt you understand how easy it is for you to "crush" >someone; a big part of the problem is the medium: we know that with >email you can't see the body language, you don't make eye contact, it >tends to always sound stiffer or more blunt than the speaker intended ... > >Anyway, it is hard being a newbie. And like all "community" efforts, >it's a mixed bag of folks out there. I try to stick to what I know I >know and stay away from some of the threads that are all speculation. > >I hope you continue to try (there are a LOT of people lurking who don't >try to give something; I guess that's OK; but not to the extent that >they abandon the forum to the same 12 people who make comments all the >time - that is what scares people away. It starts to seem like a club >and not a professional self-and joint education effort). > >Anyway, got to get back to the work of today. > >Regards, > >Valerie > > > > > >Steve Hodge <[log in to unmask]> >10/06/2005 05:08 PM > > > To: TechNet E-Mail Forum <[log in to unmask]>, > [log in to unmask] > cc: > Subject: Re: <List>Re: [TN] New Old Topic > > >Let"s face it Valerie; fabricators are at or near the bottom of the >food chain. I have bitten the proverbial lip on this subject as long as I can. >I >emailed several people privately, before I signed up, about fabrication >related questions. >I sent at least 20 with answers which I believed to be accurate. I >received one response back. I continued to read the technet forums and, >when I saw something asked which I thought I could answer, I would >e-mail the individual with an answer. I thought if I signed up for >Technet I would at > >least get responses and opinions about my answers. Well, that was my >first mistake. I should have kept on the sidelines and not have offered >any input in a general forum. I learned one valuable lesson: A newbie >should never offer an opinion differing from the tenured professionals >on any forum. >The >good ole boys have all the right answers anyway. > > >--------------------------------------------------- >Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To >unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in >the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt >or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to >[log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing >per day of all the posts: send e-mail to >[log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest >Search the archives of previous posts at: >http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site >http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 >for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] >or 847-615-7100 ext.2815 >----------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-615-7100 ext.2815 ----------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-615-7100 ext.2815 -----------------------------------------------------