(nodding) And I asked a question twice in the past week about manual microsection equipment...does anyone respond to me? Noooooo, but they jump all over Steve's microsection question....jeeesh...I'm still polishing single-puck mounts by hand and my fingertips hurt...and my head still hurts. But on the bright side the temperature here in Dallas is 30 degrees cooler today than yesterday...whew...Fall has arrived. Franklin -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bev Christian Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 4:46 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] <List>Re: [TN] New Old Topic Steve, I am sorry that you did not get responses from 19 people, but where did " A newbie should never offer an opinion differing from the tenured professionals on any forum. The good ole boys have all the right answers anyway." Where did THIS come from?! I consider myself "one of the good ole boys", having participated in this forum for over at least seven years (I am not sure how many.). (And can I even be a good ole boy being a Canuck?) Anyways, I can think of many older hands who would readily admit that they don't know everything. I think your brush is too broad. Bev RIM -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Steve Hodge Sent: October 6, 2005 5:09 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] <List>Re: [TN] New Old Topic Let"s face it Valerie; fabricators are at or near the bottom of the food chain. I have bitten the proverbial lip on this subject as long as I can. I emailed several people privately, before I signed up, about fabrication related questions. I sent at least 20 with answers which I believed to be accurate. I received one response back. I continued to read the technet forums and, when I saw something asked which I thought I could answer, I would e-mail the individual with an answer. I thought if I signed up for Technet I would at least get responses and opinions about my answers. Well, that was my first mistake. I should have kept on the sidelines and not have offered any input in a general forum. I learned one valuable lesson: A newbie should never offer an opinion differing from the tenured professionals on any forum. The good ole boys have all the right answers anyway. At 02:15 PM 10/06/2005, you wrote: >No one said or even suggested that fabricators wanted to segregate >themselves from the "rest of the industry" (it wasn't a suggestion that >came from a fabricator - someone is getting ahead of this...) > >I am not aware of any request for information wrt a PCB issue that was not >answered, even if the answer was, unfortunately " we don't know enough"; >but there have always been replies > >Most fabricators don't need TechNet to get answers to PCB fab questions, >they have their personal networks; when they do need an answer from a >variety of sources or an answer that impacts on another discipline, and if >they do know about TechNet, they use it ... > >Most fabricators, e.g. the individuals who monitor the processes or >develop the processes or meet with the customers to develop solutions for >their circuit boards, don't have the time or don't have the constant >access to a computer to read all these emails all day and spend time >writing essays > >Most fabricators are now no longer in North America and there are precious >few in Europe > >And last, hopefully without sounding too off-putting, most of the problems >most of the fabricators are working on can't be handled in this type of >forum; it doesn't have the depth to deal with the content that fabricators >are wrestling with; they also have to be very careful about naming >products like laminates or chemistries, by the maker - that would not be >professional since this isn't a very regulated medium and gossip can carry >as far and wide as data; so you can't exactly say "is anyone using XXXX >and having YYYY issues with it? what do you do??" > >Valerie >(also nervous about having my neck this far out .... but if Fabricators >would expand on this topic, then others would not have to speculate for >them...) > > > > > > >"Blomberg, Rainer (FL51)" <[log in to unmask]> >Sent by: TechNet <[log in to unmask]> >10/06/2005 12:21 PM >Please respond to TechNet E-Mail Forum; Please respond to "Blomberg, >Rainer (FL51)" > > > To: [log in to unmask] > cc: > Subject: Re: [TN] New Old Topic > > >Good question Franklin. >It would be the same answer as how would they find the new, separate forum >in the first place. >Change the forum name to PCBTECHNET? >Interesting tabulation. What makes fabricators want to segregate >themselves >from the rest of the using industry? > > > Rainer G. Blomberg > > Honeywell -Space Systems Clearwater > > Staff Production Engineer >(727) 539-5534 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Franklin Asbell >Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 12:11 PM >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: [TN] New Old Topic > >The reason for suggesting a new forum was to enhance interaction between >fabricators. The goal or intent is not to "separate" anything but to >enhance >cooperation and sharing of information between board makers. > > From my count, nearly all YES type votes were from the fabricators as well >as assemblers and end users. > >There was only 1 NO type vote from a fabricator that I counted. > > From an objective view I have not see any justification or argument for >not >having a separate fabricators forum. > >So going back to the original suggestion, especially from those of you >that >find it a bad idea not to have another forum, how can we, how can you, >increase the level of fabricators subscribing to TechNet. > >Franklin > >(ducking again to avoid chairs and books) > > > >--------------------------------------------------- >Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To >unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the >BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or >(re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET >Technet >NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send >e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of >previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web >site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 for additional >information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-615-7100 >ext.2815 >----------------------------------------------------- > >--------------------------------------------------- >Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e >To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in >the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet >To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to >[log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) >To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to >[log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest >Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives >Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 >for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] >or 847-615-7100 ext.2815 >----------------------------------------------------- > > > >--------------------------------------------------- >Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e >To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in >the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet >To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to >[log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) >To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to >[log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest >Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives >Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 >for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or >847-615-7100 ext.2815 >----------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-615-7100 ext.2815 ----------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- This transmission (including any attachments) may contain confidential information, privileged material (including material protected by the solicitor-client or other applicable privileges), or constitute non-public information. 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