Seems to me there is room for all. It's a big old world. I don't think too many people would bail from this forum if a FAB forum was created. And if a FAB forum would bring more people out, that'd be good. I learned of this forum via the DesignerCouncil forum. For my profession, which is board design and all that goes with it, this forum may be the best resource I've come across, though more specific forums exist. It's even useful for lawnmower repair! The diverse expertise of the participants (and some of the puns) make it great. But I don't bring up ECAD specific issues here. And I'm not interested in knowing how to calibrate an Acme V-score machine (today, anyway), though I don't mind receiving emails about it. If a FAB specific forum existed for people who ONLY care about that today, we might find a lot of them in THIS forum somewhere down the road. If you want to get everybody together in the same place, the first thing you have to do is get them all moving towards the center, right? Maybe not. Just my thoughts on the subject... -Chris Brian Ellis <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent by: TechNet cc: <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [TN] New IPC email forum 10/06/2005 03:34 AM Please respond to TechNet E-Mail Forum; Please respond to Brian Ellis Has no one ever heard of concurrent engineering? If there were no assemblers to give feedback to the fab guys and no fab guys to tell the assemblers what they can or cannot do, then we would have no industry at all. I'll go farther, the designers must be in the equation, AND the development engineers, AND the purchasing managers. If we cannot all talk with one voice or sing the same song, then we are wasting valuable company funds. All these guys MUST talk with each other, all the time and any schism is counter-productive. Even if we work in different factories doing different jobs, our aim is to produce one single article as economically as possible, while respecting the technical imperatives. Splitting knowledge apart will not achieve this and, taking this to a logical conclusion, we shall split the IPC into two or more separate organisations, each believing they are holier than the others, with zero dialogue. Personally, I have been professionally working with printed circuitry since 1955 (yes, 50 whole years!!!) and I have had deep experience in all the aspects of the business from being a development engineer, through designer and vendor of designing tools, director of a high-tech PCB fab plant, assembler AND purchaser and I **KNOW** that you cannot isolate any one aspect from the others. In fact, I'll go so far as to say that most, possibly as much as 90%, of the problems encountered within our industry are because of lack of communications between the various factions who prefer to isolate themselves in an ivory tower and hope the rest of the world bends round their ideas. So, in the name of sanity and efficiency in our industry, do NOT split (rather, merge more of the guys in the equation. 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