The black smoke is needed for the board to work properly. Once it leaks out, it won't work any more. TGIF Dave Roach -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Burke Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 4:11 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [TN] My assembly is putting out black smoke - HELP Hmmmmmmmmmmm, and you can tell whether that is fab or assembly related!! Nice one Holmes, Happy Friday all, John Michael McMaster wrote: I don't see the value in doing this. I can almost always tell whether the e-mail is Fab or Assy related from the Subject line... -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dehoyos, Ramon Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 6:16 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Fabricators and information passage Fellows it has been suggested twice. Lets come to an agreement of what to add to the subject line to make it easier for the times when we are too busy to check all the e-mails, i.e. "Assy" for assembly questions, "Fab", "Design", and so on. It will even help us to put the right type of thinking cap for the specific question. It will attract more diversity and cross train the willing. I used to fabricate ICs in semiconductors labs, not boards. The languages are different but the technology is similar. So I am learning the new language when someone ask a question in that subject of board fabrication. So what do you say? Lets come up with a consensus. The best way is to name a few techneters, committee, that can exchange ideas and create acronyms for different subject lines and we will all be benefited. Ramon -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brooks,Bill Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 7:06 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Fabricators and information passage Good comments Rudy, It seems the 'personality' of TechNet has changed somewhat over the years that I have been subscribed to it, and as the industry has changed and people have come and gone from the list server you find it go from pleasant to hostile, helpful to very quiet... and many different moods come over it...I don't think you can let that bother you. There is something to having a common goal of excellence in design, manufacturing and assembly... it binds the group together and broadens the whole experience base of the entire group. As you pass through life, you will touch many people at various stages in their careers and their personal and professional development... If you can help someone along the way, there's no telling how that little bit of good-will might bounce from person to person.. I liked that movie with Kevin Spacey where the kid in his class developed the 'Pay-it-forward' philosophy... Pick 3 people that you can do something to help them out and ask them not to do anything to pay you back, but for them to go find 3 more people and help them instead and require the same of them to Pay it forward to 3 more, and so on... It's a great concept and if everyone did that it could change the world. I like TechNet... it's a great place to find help and give it... My 2 cents... I'd like to see it continue. I think the Fabricators can participate when they feel like it... we all learn from them... and they learn from us too. If their info is good, Designers want to come back and learn more... and use their services... In fact I see more and more fabricators sending out speakers to IPC DC events to talk with designers on a personal level and help them improve their designs to improve the yields and simply the manufacturing processes for the fabricators and assemblers. We all win when people get the information they need to do their jobs better. It's all good. Your participation makes it better! Bill Brooks - KG6VVP PCB Design Engineer, C.I.D.+, C.I.I. Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510 Datron World Communications, Inc. _______________________________________ San Diego Chapter of the IPC Designers Council Communications Officer, Web Manager http://dcchapters.ipc.org/SanDiego/ http://pcbwizards.com -----Original Message----- From: R Sedlak [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 3:20 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [TN] Fabricators and information passage Valerie St. Cyr put it very well... but there may be yet another factor, which could almost be described as the "800 pound gorilla in the corner" that no one wants to mention.... The fabricators, perhaps more than anyone in the world, are in a fight to the death for survival, and not only does this mean they do not have time to visit such things as technet, they may not have a whole lot of interest in helping others (read "competitors") to do things which they have learned to do, perhaps by as series of expensive errors..... In fact, the amount of information passed around on Technet is slightly astonishing, that it is done so easily, and freely.... I find it telling that the participation on Technet does not reflect the national distribution of PCB production... that is to say, the majority of the participants on Technet come from cultures that are more open, and sharing... 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