No one said or even suggested that fabricators wanted to segregate themselves from the "rest of the industry" (it wasn't a suggestion that came from a fabricator - someone is getting ahead of this...) I am not aware of any request for information wrt a PCB issue that was not answered, even if the answer was, unfortunately " we don't know enough"; but there have always been replies Most fabricators don't need TechNet to get answers to PCB fab questions, they have their personal networks; when they do need an answer from a variety of sources or an answer that impacts on another discipline, and if they do know about TechNet, they use it ... Most fabricators, e.g. the individuals who monitor the processes or develop the processes or meet with the customers to develop solutions for their circuit boards, don't have the time or don't have the constant access to a computer to read all these emails all day and spend time writing essays Most fabricators are now no longer in North America and there are precious few in Europe And last, hopefully without sounding too off-putting, most of the problems most of the fabricators are working on can't be handled in this type of forum; it doesn't have the depth to deal with the content that fabricators are wrestling with; they also have to be very careful about naming products like laminates or chemistries, by the maker - that would not be professional since this isn't a very regulated medium and gossip can carry as far and wide as data; so you can't exactly say "is anyone using XXXX and having YYYY issues with it? what do you do??" Valerie (also nervous about having my neck this far out .... but if Fabricators would expand on this topic, then others would not have to speculate for them...) "Blomberg, Rainer (FL51)" <[log in to unmask]> Sent by: TechNet <[log in to unmask]> 10/06/2005 12:21 PM Please respond to TechNet E-Mail Forum; Please respond to "Blomberg, Rainer (FL51)" To: [log in to unmask] cc: Subject: Re: [TN] New Old Topic Good question Franklin. It would be the same answer as how would they find the new, separate forum in the first place. Change the forum name to PCBTECHNET? Interesting tabulation. What makes fabricators want to segregate themselves from the rest of the using industry? > Rainer G. Blomberg > Honeywell -Space Systems Clearwater > Staff Production Engineer (727) 539-5534 -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Franklin Asbell Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 12:11 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [TN] New Old Topic The reason for suggesting a new forum was to enhance interaction between fabricators. The goal or intent is not to "separate" anything but to enhance cooperation and sharing of information between board makers. From my count, nearly all YES type votes were from the fabricators as well as assemblers and end users. There was only 1 NO type vote from a fabricator that I counted. From an objective view I have not see any justification or argument for not having a separate fabricators forum. So going back to the original suggestion, especially from those of you that find it a bad idea not to have another forum, how can we, how can you, increase the level of fabricators subscribing to TechNet. 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