I agree with 11 max (7 was just the other number in craps). (For the record, if first base is occupied with less than 2 outs, the batter is out on a 3rd strike passed ball) If in the first AB, the batter gets a passed ball 3rd strike, even if a runner was picked off or forced out instead of the play being at 1st, that half inning would be over and the last guy up would have had 3 strikes. He wouldn't be up next inning. So the question in this case might be: What's the maximum number of outs on an official scoresheet in a nine inning game? Side question: What's the maximum number of K's can one pitcher be credited with in a nine inning game? (Dewey - I ended up with the other $20; not sure how it happened but it's right here) "Gaugler, Kevin" <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent by: TechNet cc: <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [TN] Okay, all you real smart guys......... 09/30/2005 12:40 PM Please respond to TechNet E-Mail Forum; Please respond to "Gaugler, Kevin" I believe that the rule on a passed-ball third strike requires that the batter must then be put out at first base. I don't believe you can force another runner at another base (i.e. tag home plate if bases are loaded.) So, the answer is 11 as noted in scenario 2. -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bob Metcalf Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 12:23 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Okay, all you real smart guys......... I vote for scenario 2. On a passed ball on a third strike, the runner either reaches first base or is thrown out. In this case the runner that was on first base is thrown out instead, ending the inning and the at bat. Bob Metcalf Circuit Solutions 949-709-2544 -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Stadem, Richard Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 9:08 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Okay, all you real smart guys......... Al, D'oh, you are correct. I forgot about that rule. So the count is 3 and 2, man on first, whoops, person on first, the pitch comes in, gets past the catcher for a passed third strike, catcher picks up the ball and throws out the runner going to second to end the inning. Because the batter was never thrown out, is his at-bat over, or does he come back and start the next inning? If so, he can see a total of 6 pitches in the first inning, and in the next inning could see six more. Therefore the limit would be 12. If the passed third strike and subsequent unrelated throwout at second kills the first at-bat, then the most he can see would be 5 in the first inning, and six in the second inning (3 balls and 3 strikes, even if one passes). So, the limit is 11 possible in that scenario. Which is is it? -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Gaugler, Kevin Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 10:35 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Okay, all you real smart guys......... No, that is considered one at bat. If there were a runner on first base and he gets picked off for the third out, the batter returns to lead off the next inning and it is considered one at bat. -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Stadem, Richard Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 7:45 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Okay, all you real smart guys......... That is two at-bats. -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Frank Kimmey Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 4:14 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Okay, all you real smart guys......... Would it be 11? If a batter was facing a full count with 2 down and a runner was put out, then his at bat would not be completed. At the start of the next inning he could then face a max of 6, giving a total of 11 pitches faced in a single at bat. My best guess. FNK -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Al Onderick Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 2:00 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Okay, all you real smart guys......... Nope... -----Original Message----- From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of [log in to unmask] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:57 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Okay, all you real smart guys......... 6 -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Al Onderick Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:41 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Okay, all you real smart guys......... Discounting foul balls, what is the maximum number of pitches a batter can see in a single at bat? -Al -----Original Message----- From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of [log in to unmask] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:37 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Okay, all you real smart guys......... Ask me a baseball question. -Chris Who's on first? Jana Carraway MSEI - Advanced Technology Group 6024 S.W. 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