One bite at the bug's get a headache. -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Whittaker, Dewey (AZ75) Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:23 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] IEC Specifications Glyko-to keep you cool Metrio-to help you find the bus or subway in the morning Sketo-to keep the bugs away I'll take the first one, because with all that caffeine who needs a ride and the bugs couldn't keep up to land on you anyway. Dewey -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brian Ellis Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:17 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] IEC Specifications Hey, Doug. You had better change your tipple! If you come out here, we can give you a coffee that will REALLY wake you up, 49% caffeine, 49% flavour and the rest water! It's made in 3 varieties, glyko, metrio and sketo, to suit all tastes. In most places it's only about 20 or 25 US cents/cup. A good kick-start for the day and MUCH cheaper than Starbucks. Best regards, Brian Douglas O. Pauls wrote: > Good morning Werner, > Brian's experiences always make for interesting reading. > > Maybe it is just from getting up way too early to take my daughter to > volleyball practice, but your comment rubs me the wrong way this morning. > I know that most IPC chairmen would love to increase participation > from all levels of companies and are looking for ways to do so. The > IPC staff diligently explores alternatives to costly travel to > meetings so that more can participate. There have been increases in > teleconferenes, netmeetings, videoconferences. More review is done by > e-mail. As a member from a large company, we "dominate" because it is > often we may have more resources, we may have made a better case for > participation, or because or management sees the value in participation. > > In my view, participation is more limited by the fact that we are all > 125% tasked (on a light day). Is there anyone out there that has free > time to devote anymore? > > People can be very active participants in any IPC activity, regardless > of company size or travel budget. In fact, all you in Technet land > have participated in my committees when I ask survey questions. I am > the vice chair on the solder mask committee and the committee working > on a solder mask handbook. The Technet archives have been data mined > (it is SO nice to have intelligent co-ops students) for experiences on solder mask. > Questions that get asked are topics that need to be covered. All of > the committee activities have home pages on the IPC web site. Minutes > from meetings, including suggestions from my favorite Canadian about > hitting Hillman with a frozen beaver, drafts of documents, some of > which contain Sven and Ole jokes, etc, are all there. > > ALL it takes, all it takes, to participate in an IPC committee (with a > few > exceptions) is a phone call or an e-mail to one of the committee > chairs or to the IPC staff saying "I would like to be part of this > work", and you can do so. You can review drafts, participate in > research, etc, without ever once travel to a meeting. You want to > particpate, by God we will find a way to work you in. Let me give you > an example. A young lady who was once one of my co-op students, works > for an EMS provider where travel funds are a little scarce at times. > She may not be able to attend the meetings, but she is willing to > review drafts, participate in IC round robins, etc. She recognizes > the educational value in participating and how it will make her a more > valuable resource to her company. Although, it could be just my sauve and debonair charm as a chairman (not a word, Whittaker). Nah. > > I cannot begin to list how IPC involvement has made me valuable to my > employers over the years. It is an education in itself, and in todays > world of electronic communication, the only real barriers to > participation are time to devote and individual initiative. > > You know, I will look over this response in about an hour or so, after > a Diet Dew or two and wonder what the hell got me so riled up this > morning...... > > Doug Pauls > > > > > Werner Engelmaier > <[log in to unmask] > OM> To > Sent by: TechNet [log in to unmask] > <[log in to unmask]> cc > > Subject > 08/25/2005 06:30 Re: [TN] IEC Specifications > AM > > > Please respond to > TechNet E-Mail > Forum > <[log in to unmask]> > ; Please respond > to > [log in to unmask] > M > > > > > > > Hi Brian, > You are so right. > It needs to be added, that participation is also very costly with > meetings taking place all over the globe. This excludes small > commpanies and consultants reinforcing what you said about domination > by large companies. > > > > Werner > > --------------------------------------------------- > Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To > unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in > the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt > or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to > [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing > per day of all the posts: send e-mail to > [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest > Search the archives of previous posts at: > http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site > http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 > for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at > [log in to unmask] or 847-615-7100 ext.2815 > ----------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------- > Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To > unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in > the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt > or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET > Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the > posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the > archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please > visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 > for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at > [log in to unmask] or 847-615-7100 ext.2815 > ----------------------------------------------------- > -- ______________________________________________ Please note new e-mail address [log in to unmask] --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-615-7100 ext.2815 ----------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-615-7100 ext.2815 ----------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-615-7100 ext.2815 -----------------------------------------------------