Brian Never been a coffee drinker, but if I keep putting my foot in my mouth, I have have to consider changing. Isn't Cyprus coffee something you chew more than drink? Doug Pauls Brian Ellis <[log in to unmask]> Sent by: TechNet To <[log in to unmask]> [log in to unmask] cc 08/25/2005 09:16 Subject AM Re: [TN] IEC Specifications Please respond to TechNet E-Mail Forum <[log in to unmask]> ; Please respond to Brian Ellis <[log in to unmask]> Hey, Doug. You had better change your tipple! If you come out here, we can give you a coffee that will REALLY wake you up, 49% caffeine, 49% flavour and the rest water! It's made in 3 varieties, glyko, metrio and sketo, to suit all tastes. In most places it's only about 20 or 25 US cents/cup. A good kick-start for the day and MUCH cheaper than Starbucks. Best regards, Brian Douglas O. Pauls wrote: > Good morning Werner, > Brian's experiences always make for interesting reading. > > Maybe it is just from getting up way too early to take my daughter to > volleyball practice, but your comment rubs me the wrong way this morning. > I know that most IPC chairmen would love to increase participation from all > levels of companies and are looking for ways to do so. The IPC staff > diligently explores alternatives to costly travel to meetings so that more > can participate. There have been increases in teleconferenes, netmeetings, > videoconferences. More review is done by e-mail. As a member from a large > company, we "dominate" because it is often we may have more resources, we > may have made a better case for participation, or because or management > sees the value in participation. > > In my view, participation is more limited by the fact that we are all 125% > tasked (on a light day). Is there anyone out there that has free time to > devote anymore? > > People can be very active participants in any IPC activity, regardless of > company size or travel budget. In fact, all you in Technet land have > participated in my committees when I ask survey questions. I am the vice > chair on the solder mask committee and the committee working on a solder > mask handbook. The Technet archives have been data mined (it is SO nice to > have intelligent co-ops students) for experiences on solder mask. > Questions that get asked are topics that need to be covered. All of the > committee activities have home pages on the IPC web site. Minutes from > meetings, including suggestions from my favorite Canadian about hitting > Hillman with a frozen beaver, drafts of documents, some of which contain > Sven and Ole jokes, etc, are all there. > > ALL it takes, all it takes, to participate in an IPC committee (with a few > exceptions) is a phone call or an e-mail to one of the committee chairs or > to the IPC staff saying "I would like to be part of this work", and you can > do so. You can review drafts, participate in research, etc, without ever > once travel to a meeting. You want to particpate, by God we will find a > way to work you in. Let me give you an example. A young lady who was once > one of my co-op students, works for an EMS provider where travel funds are > a little scarce at times. She may not be able to attend the meetings, but > she is willing to review drafts, participate in IC round robins, etc. She > recognizes the educational value in participating and how it will make her > a more valuable resource to her company. Although, it could be just my > sauve and debonair charm as a chairman (not a word, Whittaker). Nah. > > I cannot begin to list how IPC involvement has made me valuable to my > employers over the years. It is an education in itself, and in todays > world of electronic communication, the only real barriers to participation > are time to devote and individual initiative. > > You know, I will look over this response in about an hour or so, after a > Diet Dew or two and wonder what the hell got me so riled up this > morning...... > > Doug Pauls > > > > > Werner Engelmaier > <[log in to unmask] > OM> To > Sent by: TechNet [log in to unmask] > <[log in to unmask]> cc > > Subject > 08/25/2005 06:30 Re: [TN] IEC Specifications > AM > > > Please respond to > TechNet E-Mail > Forum > <[log in to unmask]> > ; Please respond > to > [log in to unmask] > M > > > > > > > Hi Brian, > You are so right. > It needs to be added, that participation is also very costly with meetings > taking place all over the globe. 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