Good one George... :) It kind of reminds me of this guy I used to work with and when I would discuss trying to fix the troubles with the world he would get this funny look on his face and smile at me and say, "Just shut up Bill, and drink your Gin..." and laugh... It seemed to fit somehow... (even though Gin would not be my drink of choice... but the sentiment is appropriate I suppose... ) I would really like to get tickets to that Hockey Game... :) Bill Brooks - KG6VVP PCB Design Engineer, C.I.D.+, C.I.I. Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510 Datron World Communications, Inc. _______________________________________ San Diego Chapter of the IPC Designers Council Communications Officer, Web Manager http://dcchapters.ipc.org/SanDiego/ http://pcbwizards.com -----Original Message----- From: George Patrick [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 12:46 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [DC] Just say 'NO' to RoHS is plain wrong? That's politicians for you. They are the same everywhere. As an example... The Oregon state legislature has decided that all over-the-counter medications containing pseudoephedrine can only be bought with a prescription in order to make it harder to manufacture crystal meth. Never mind that the majority of meth is brought in from out-of-state, never mind that they have numerous laws against manufacturing drugs already on the books, never mind that jails are under-funded so they can't keep the drug manufacturers incarcerated for more than a few weeks even if they DO manage to convict them, passing this new law gets them free time on the evening news to show their patsies... err... constituents that they are Doing Something(c). Bill, although I wish it were as easy as "just saying no," how long do you think it's going to take Vermont, or Oregon, or California, or some other green-leaning state to pass similar laws? Right or wrong, politicians are going to see this as a way to try to pry contributions out of the Sierra Club or the Earth Conservancy, and pass their own version of RoHS. We may as well get used to it, it's going to happen and the chance of changing it is about equal to the chance of having an all-day outdoor Ice Hockey exhibition in Death Valley in August :) -- George Patrick Tektronix, Inc. Central Engineering, PCB Design Group P.O. Box 500, M/S 39-512 Beaverton, OR 97077-0001 Phone: 503-627-5272 Fax: 503-627-5587 http://www.tektronix.com http://www.pcb-designer.com It's my opinion, not Tektronix' -----Original Message----- From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jack C. Olson Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:22 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [DC] Just say 'NO' to RoHS is plain wrong? Yes, 130 MILLION cell phones will be discarded this year. I read that the owners of incinerators turned down the heat to save money, and the waste was not being burned properly and spewing lead into the environment. and that's how this whole thing started. I have no way to verify the truth of that, but I thought it was interesting that they didn't simply REGULATE THE INCINERATORS rather than forbid the use of one of the more comment elements in the universe! seeya, Jack --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DesignerCouncil Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8d To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF DesignerCouncil. To temporarily stop/(restart) delivery of DesignerCouncil send: SET DesignerCouncil NOMAIL/(MAIL) Search previous postings at: www.ipc.org > On-Line Resources & Databases > E-mail Archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-615-7100 ext.2815 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------