Dale, Just one thing about what you said: "long-term exposure to elements we see as harmful". Lead IS harmful in long term AND short term exposure, especially for children under five. The point is that if electronic circuit packs are responsibly recycled and/or disposed of in well run landfills there is no issue. As someone on this forum stated a few months ago, one of the best environmental things we ever did was ban tetraethyl lead and one of the worst may be banning leaded solder. Now the latter part of that is somewhat of an exaggeration, but it does make a good point. Bev RIM -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dale Ritzen Sent: June 15, 2005 8:45 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Lead-Free, Why? Ramon, Thanks for the insight into who gets hurt and who doesn't in this future scenario. The crazy thing is that we now have states on both coasts jumping on the bandwagon trying to implement some sort of lead-free legislation, as well as other parts of the world (notably Japan and now China - where a lot of the world's poisoned detritus ends up anyway). It is unfortunate that good, sound scientific data and corroborating evidence has taken a back seat to anecdotal, self-serving "evidence" based on "junk science" (in some cases) to support this environmental quest. If we're going to do something to save our home planet, then let's do it based on unbiased studies of the true effects of long-term exposure to the elements we see as harmful. In essence, what it all distills down to is who is going to make the most $$$ from the fallout of this change and who will derive the most political gain by forcing this type of massive change on the world... It always comes down to money and power in this type of world-wide movement. It's been happening since before the pyramids were built... and will continue well after all of us are lead-free dust... That being said, I think we all owe Steve a debt of gratitude for offering us a chance to read a really good piece on the whole issue - regardless of the length - as it does pull together a LOT of the things discussed here and in the IPC lead-free threads. Thanks Steve! My comments again - not my employer's, Dale Ritzen, CQA Quality Manager Austin Manufacturing Services -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Dehoyos, Ramon Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 7:09 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Lead-Free, Why? Hi Steve: Europeans are going to pay the bigger price since this change is imposed on their land. Some companies that export to Europe will be affected. Companies that export to other places and produce for internal consumption should not be affected at all. Steve thanks for bringing this good report to light. In the past excerpts of this article have been posted, yes it takes a while to read it but it is good to know what scientist have proven and it is known. Thanks, Ramon -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Stephen Gregory Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 10:17 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Lead-Free, Why? I was kind of suprised that there was only one private response to my post about this...I guess we all are sheep. Let's all of us jump off the cliff, and say in the end; "We did what we were supposed to..." Then live with it all... Kind regards, -Steve Gregory- Senior Process Engineer LaBarge Incorporated Tulsa, Oklahoma (918) 459-2285 (918) 459-2350 FAX Stephen R Gregory (Tulsa) To: [log in to unmask] cc: 06/14/2005 08:38 Subject: [TN] Lead-Free, Why? AM Mornin' Everyone! Yesterday I had one of our test technicians come to me and ask if I knew of any good reference articles about the pro's and cons of Lead-free solders. He's doing a assignment in his college class about manufacturing processes. I first went on my rant about how mis-guided this whole thing is, and then told him that I was sure I could find him some good references. I did a search and found one that I had never seen before, and after reading it, I think it's the best one I've read. Go to: http://www.cepelec.com/iso_album/leadfreehmiller.pdf It's 53-pages, and very, very good! Kind regards, -Steve Gregory- Senior Process Engineer LaBarge Incorporated Tulsa, Oklahoma (918) 459-2285 (918) 459-2350 FAX __________________________________________________________________ --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-615-7100 ext.2815 ----------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- This transmission (including any attachments) may contain confidential information, privileged material (including material protected by the solicitor-client or other applicable privileges), or constitute non-public information. 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