You know, I feel that these type of discussions are what Technet is all about. Terry, if you don't like the Emails, delete them. If you don't like anything in life, don't use it. This is Technet, not "Terry's Technet". Honestly, I would really despise working with some of you if you performed your jobs as dryly as you seem here. This "general discussion" is a relevent topic and will onlt be so the closer we get to the deadline. Better yet, I'll unsubscribe. I'm tired of listening to weenies. Signing off Jason Gregory Manufacturing Engineer Innova Electronics (281)653-5593 (281)653-5594 fax (281)212-0844 cell [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Terry Kozlyk Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 10:47 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Lead-Free, Why? Here we go again...guys...... This has resorted to General Discussion type questions....... Go offline & stop clogging up the e-mails..... TDK -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jason Gregory Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 9:41 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Lead-Free, Why? Bev, it seems you are a proponent of the legislation. When is the ban on lead batteries going to occur?? I throw away WAYYYYYYYYYYYYY more batteries than I do PCBs. Jason Gregory Manufacturing Engineer Innova Electronics (281)653-5593 (281)653-5594 fax (281)212-0844 cell [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Bev Christian Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 10:22 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Lead-Free, Why? Richard, Toxic to whom? If you are talking people, silver of course is not as toxic or my Grammie would have died before 89 from eating with silver-plated utensils. If you are talking single-celled aquatic organisms, well that is another matter. We should also looked at what it takes to extract a kilo or lead vs. a kilo of silver in terms of energy, chemicals used, etc., etc. Bev RIM -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Stadem, Richard Sent: June 15, 2005 11:17 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Lead-Free, Why? Shhhh...don't give them ideas, Graham. Along the same line, isn't silver just as toxic, if not worse? Or am I wrong? But we need to build everything with silver added to the solder paste, the board finish, and the component finish, albeit a smaller percentage. And because the lead-free, but silver-bearing consumer devices will supposedly have a lower reliability factor, we will actually be dumping more of the lead-free stuff into the landfills. It will just cost us more to manufacture it. And of course, with a cost increase in materials. That cost increase is not going to be absorbed by the vendor and manufacturer, it will be passed on to the consumer. So we will be dumping much more into the landfills, and will pay more for the privelege. Right? -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Graham Collins Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 8:42 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Lead-Free, Why? I'm guessing Ramon has already been affected, I know we have, and are in similar industries. Prices seem to be climbing for Pb materials - as can be predicted by the reality of decreased volume production. And, more importantly, component finishes are being changes - some times with different part numbers, some times with notification as bogus as a "pb free" sticker stuck on the side of the reel of parts. Ah well. Buy the ticket, take the ride. Next thing they'll be banning copper... regards, Graham Collins Process Engineer, L-3 Communications Electronic Systems Inc. Halifax (902) 873-2000 ext 6215 >>> [log in to unmask] 06/15/05 10:18AM >>> Hi Ramon, it is that kind of thinking that gets us into trouble. Just because you are not exporting to the EU, or because your part of the industry is exempt, does NOT mean that you are not affected--YOU WILL BE AFFECTED. that is because, you will not be able to buy SnPb-parts. 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