curious .. why does it cost "tens of thousands of dollars" to "roll the revision" , In Asia it costs about $ 1.00. Could that be the reason why most of the high volume business moved to Asia ? Wolfgang ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Grant" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [TN] SMOBC question... > That "roll the revision" complaint is valid for the designer. Even in > the non-Military realm, it cost tens of thousands of dollars to get > product #XXX-revision X qualified with customer A, and they only do > qualifications within certain windows of opportunity. Changing a > revision of a drawing often means requalifying, and if the window is > closed, loss of sales because the product is no longer qualified, which > could mean losses of millions of dollars... Whew! Who'd of thought > that just changing a little thing would cost so much. It's pretty > frustrating and makes a guy want to just slap someone! > > Ryan > -----Original Message----- > From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Stephen Gregory > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:13 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [TN] SMOBC question... > > Jack, > > I wish there were designers like you at the customers > we deal with...and sometimes (to make the communication > problem even worse), a design is not our customers design, > but something they have outsourced. > > But even if you do get to communicate with the actual designer, > and then find out that a note on the drawing is pretty meaningless, > and makes the fab that much harder to build, many times I have > heard; "Well, if we remove the note from the drawing, that'll mean > we'll have to roll the revision on the drawing, and that's just too much > trouble..." > > Kind regards, > > -Steve Gregory- > Senior Process Engineer > LaBarge Incorporated > Tulsa, Oklahoma > (918) 459-2285 > (918) 459-2350 FAX > > > > |---------+----------------------------> > | | "Jack C. Olson" | > | | <OLSON_JACK_C@CAT| > | | .COM> | > | | Sent by: TechNet | > | | <[log in to unmask]>| > | | | > | | | > | | 05/18/2005 10:34 | > | | AM | > | | Please respond to| > | | TechNet E-Mail | > | | Forum; Please | > | | respond to "Jack | > | | C. Olson" | > | | | > |---------+----------------------------> > >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------------------------------| > | > | > | To: [log in to unmask] > | > | cc: > | > | Subject: Re: [TN] SMOBC question... > | > >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------------------------------| > > > > > Why are vendors so reluctant to ask the customer what is the intention > behind their vague notes? > > As a board designer, I wish vendors would just ask me what I meant, > instead of trying to get a consensus on a forum. > > Jack (the "lone voice crying in the wilderness" guy) > > > ----- Message from Stephen Gregory <[log in to unmask]> on Tue, > 17 May 2005 08:03:12 -0500 ----- > Subject: > Re: SMOBC question... > Hi Jeffery, > > The board that I'm talking about doesn't seem to be that old > design-wise. So do you think that maybe the note is just something > kind of got "boiler-plated" from earlier designs? > > A description of the board is that it is a VME styled board, and > everything > on the board is SMT including headers, right angle push button switches, > etc., the only through-hole is two press-fit right angle connectors. So > the > board is never going to see wave solder. > > The board is 15-layers and only .065" thick. Do you think that maybe the > reason they have the note prohibiting HASL is because they don't want > to thermally shock the board which may cause other problems? > > Kind regards, > > -Steve Gregory- > Senior Process Engineer > LaBarge Incorporated > Tulsa, Oklahoma > (918) 459-2285 > (918) 459-2350 FAXJack C. 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