I have to agree with the less for to untorque. I have never had an instance where the force to remove was larger than the torque to tighten to. In fact someone tried to come up with a procedure that the force used to untorque was larger and when we did a large number of experiments it was always less using the same torque wrench to torque them down. ..... "Dehoyos, Ramon" <ramon.dehoyos@NG To: [log in to unmask] C.COM> cc: Sent by: TechNet Subject: Re: [TN] Torque <[log in to unmask]> 05/06/05 10:57 AM Please respond to TechNet E-Mail Forum; Please respond to "Dehoyos, Ramon" It has to do also with how the wrench is used, the angle of pull, hand placement on the tool. Yes the materials have also a big significance on the resistance both ways. But in general it takes more force to untorque. Regards, Ramon -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Roach, David Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 10:41 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Torque My limited experience with torque testing has been similar to Ken's. We were tightening some #4-40 screws (holding transistors to a heat sink) to 7 to 9 in-lb. We measured this using a free-standing load cell connected to a max-hold digital torque meter, connected to a Mountz hand-operated torque driver. Loosening torque was typically 4 to 6 in-lb, but not as consistent as the tightening torque. I suspect the ratio between tightening and loosening torques would be highly dependent on several variables, including the thread pitch, materials, surface roughness of the contact area, etc. Dave Roach -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bloomquist, Ken Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 9:25 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Torque Hi Phil, I have to disagree with your "more torque to loosen" theory. When we do torque testing the torque meter will read something like 24 in/lbs to torque. Then when we loosen the screw to do another test it only takes about 8 to 10 in/lbs to break it loose. We've also tested this using a recording torque wrench and got the same results. Now tell me about this "Square Cone Screw"? I went on the internet and could only find "Square Cone Washer". The washer sounds really interesting. We have a problem on occasion of breaking the plastic shoulder washers we use to install TO-220's. I wonder if this washer would help. Have you used them? Does using just a flat washer help? Thanks, KennyB -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Phil Nutting Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 5:19 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Torque Oops, sorry for the blank post. My finger went too fast. It takes more torque to loosen the screw because you have to overcome the clamping forces that are being applied to the parts in question. For plastic bodied parts (TO-247, TO-220, etc.) with holes in the bodies you should be using either a Belleville washer and screw or a flat washer and a square-cone screw. The washer is needed to distribute the load forces of the screw head. You also need to determine just how much torque is necessary to obtain the desired clamping force. Keep in mind that if there is a hole in the device for mounting, you can never fully clamp the device for maximum thermal transfer under the device die because the screw cannot go through the middle of the die. Hope this helps. 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