Chris said: "For the free publicity, Nick, you're welcome." I noticed this IPC-PCBL issue was only brought up by individuals at companies who haven't invested in the 7351 tools. What I find VERY ironic is although these companies haven't invested in the 7351 tools, they are paying their staff for the time they take to help publicize PCBL. I really don't know who to thank more - you, or your companies? Chris said: "The point was raised that IPC is not a government agency and that even the IRS tells you about tax software. That's true. If they'd partnered with TurboTax up front, TaxCut would probably have had a much harder time establishing a client base when they came along, but OK, enough of that." If I can build a bridge between this analogy - keep in mind that the IRS doesn't have the need to distribute library to go with the 7351 standard, as would be expected by most users of the standard. Brent replied: "My understanding is you are only questioning the rational to why IPC is bundling a vendor's product with a standard .....Good question." See my comment above. If IPC didn't package the Viewer with the standard, those who bought the IPC-7351 would be asking, "hey, where's the documentation?". Perhaps IPC should have just referred its customers to download the software from PCB Libraries' website? Wait, no - that would have been bad, too. It seems that to some people, no matter what, IPC would have out of line. Nick -----Original Message----- From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Alcorn, Brent Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:00 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [DC] Propaganda Rant - last response. STATEMENT: In no way am I trying to belittle the MAJOR efforts that went into the program or the standard. That isn't what is being questioned (Again). - Brent Last Response: Chris you said: <SNIP> I'm not sure why some took my comments to mean that I resist change or resent better tools and those who make them, but I must have had it coming, and am sorry for having implied it. <SNIP> Chris, I didn't read that into your original post at all. My understanding is you are only questioning the rational to why IPC is bundling a vendor's product with a standard ..... Good question. Joe you said: <SNIP> That's common sense and the fact that we're having a discussion like this challenges my faith in natural selection. IPC Is not a government agency. Even the flippin' IRS will tell you can get Tax software...Does that challenge my relationship with them? Of course not (that's an issue unto itself). No where does IPC say you need to use this, or even still go as far as to reccomend using it. The issue here is the *implied* reccomendation which to me is absurd. IPC Is not a government agency. <SNIP> Have another cup of coffee man.... Sheeze.. You may want to re-read my post... I NEVER said IPC was a government agency .... I said "governing"... The word I chose to used was to show how IMPORTANT IPC is to this industry, or in my eyes anyway. That is why this troubles me and obviously others. Would you like toast with your coffee or would you like coffee on your toast.... you get both, but, there is a difference. Regards, Brent My opinion only, again, this isn't Analogic's. **************************************************************** The information transmitted in this message is confidential and may be privileged. Any review, retransmission, dissemination, or other use of this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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