This is a pretty interesting thread considering it's a NTC thread. Here's a bit more information about gas... Volvo just celebrated it's 10th anniversary of something they call Bi-fuel Technology, which are engines that can burn methane. http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2005/03/19/016456.html They first introduced the engine in a Volvo 850 back in 1995, and since then have sold over 7,000 vehicles. This reminds me about a presentation that Bev Christian PHD, gave at APEX 2003 titled; "Potential Global Warming Contribution From a Typical Electronics Manufacturing Plant". Now according to table 1 in his presentation, there is a section that details out the methane contribution from each employee from flatulence. According to his figures from a plant of 1077 employees during 1995, the amount of methane produced by employees is as follows: Amount per person per/day (liters/day) 1.5 Work days/year 200 Hours in a day 24 Hours at plant 7.5 Methane from plant personnel/year (liters) 100968.75 That's a LOT of methane that's just going up into thin air! I figure if there were methane "recovery" stations strategically located throughout the plant, and a storage tank out back a lot of our fuel worries would diminish...and if employers were to make mandatory a "Pickled eggs and Beans" day at least twice a week for employee lunches, our fuel shortages would be solved! Viola'! Whaddya say? Sound like a good idea? B^ } -Steve Gregory- |---------+----------------------------> | | Bill Kasprzak | | | <[log in to unmask] | | OM> | | | Sent by: TechNet | | | <[log in to unmask]>| | | | | | | | | 04/26/2005 12:33 | | | PM | | | Please respond to| | | TechNet E-Mail | | | Forum; Please | | | respond to | | | bkasprzak | | | | |---------+----------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: [log in to unmask] | | cc: | | Subject: Re: [TN] NTC: Gas Prices | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Ya know, it never ceases to amaze me where some of the information passed along on this site comes from. Like from KB, "Human efficiency at running was around 0.1% of energy converted to kinetic energy and at walking around 1%; on bicycle however over 99%." Where does all of this "stuff" come from? P.S I'd like to know what the efficiency is for a person on roller blades. I suppose the friction coefficients relating to the road surface and the quality of skate bearings play a role but I'd sure like a rough idea. Carry on! Bill Kasprzak Moog Inc Process Engineer, Electronic Assembly Indrek Rebane <[log in to unmask]> Sent by: TechNet <[log in to unmask]> 04/26/2005 12:56 PM Please respond to TechNet E-Mail Forum <[log in to unmask]>; Please respond to Indrek Rebane <[log in to unmask]> To [log in to unmask] cc Subject Re: [TN] NTC: Gas Prices Hola Ken et al, Bloomquist, Ken wrote: > Ya but do you drive 50 miles to work one way every day? I shamelessly live 7km from the labs. Usually use bicycle or public transport. With nice weather a walk or bit jogging. Jogging makes around 20 mpg of water on a warm day. Cycling makes about 65 mpg. Water is not Evian, but local tap ;) If I recall correctly, then bicycle was number one in efficiency of transportation. Behind it was jet plane travelling at high altitude. Cars were way behind. Human efficiency at running was around 0.1% of energy converted to kinetic energy and at walking around 1%; on bicycle however over 99%. Now an aerodynamic sealed bike would be quite neat. 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