Daan and all, several issues and thanks for this opportunity to clarify. Unless specifically noted, the following is applicable both to Certified IPC Trainers (CIT) and Certified IPC Application Specialists (CIS) which includes operators, inspectors, etc. 1. Skills measurement (written tests and workmanship projects that are part of some programs) provide the final determination that an individual has an understanding of the criteria in the standard. Obviously, individuals that regularly use a document will have a better understanding of what is in a document and may be able to find a specific criterion faster. 2. Because every minute away from production has a cost impact, management has to consider the knowledge and skills that an individual demonstrates on a daily basis. Those individuals that repeatedly demonstrate they know or and quickly find and understand requirements may well have sufficient base knowledge to forego classroom training and just challenge the skills measurement tests. Successful completion gains certification. Failing the tests invokes a "wait limit" so the individuals can study the criteria but the time spent challenging was wasted. 3. I've seen individuals that have never taken the course of instruction but that have such an intimate knowledge of the criteria that they can score nearly perfect scores on the exams. Unfortunately, I've also seen individuals that can't pass the abbreviated recert courses, whether out of cert of nor, and need to retake the complete course. 4. The Policies and Procedures Document deliberately does not state that individuals with expired certifications are required to repeat the initial certification course. It isn't appropriate to penalize achievers and add cost of retraining when not needed. Separately, recertification courses provide summarized review of the requirements and can provide the refresher training needed by the marginal worker. 5. No matter how certification is achieved, it is important to remember that the instructor signing the certification is telling the individual, the individual's employer, and because of portability of the certification, perhaps a future employer, that the instructor is confident the individual knows and has the ability to apply the criteria from the standard. 6. IPC is reviewing administration of all our programs and is adamant that we will maintain program integrity through audits and if necessary, removal of certification authority from non-complying instructors. Anyone that would like to review the formal certification policies and procedures is encouraged to download the document from: http://files.ipc.org/IPC_Professional_Tng&Cert_Policy.pdf Off-line questions regarding IPC Professional Training and Certification should be submitted to: [log in to unmask] Cordially, Jack Jack Crawford, IOM IPC Director Certification and Assembly Technology [log in to unmask] NEW PHONE 847-597-2893 NEW FAX 847-615-5693 IPC HAS MOVED- NEW ADDRESS: 3000 Lakeside Drive, Suite 309 S Bannockburn, IL, 60015 New main Phone 847-615-7100 New main fax 847-615-7105 Check www.ipc.org/move for new staff phone numbers. -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Daan Terstegge Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 10:07 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [TN] Recertification of IPC-A-610 Worker Proficiency Hi all, I learned from our local IPC representative that a few of our workers have a IPC-A-610 Worker Proficiency certificate that is expired. Because of that they are not allowed to attend to the recertification-training but instead they must do the more time-consuming and more expensive starter-course. I think this is totally crazy (I mean those people work with the IPC-A-610 every day), and I'd like to know if this is official IPC policy or something that I should discuss with our local IPC training institute. 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