The IPC Designer's Council is an International organization for PCB Designers, Clyde, regardless of where they are forced to live and work. Blame the investors and the 'bean counters', not the designers for where some of the 'jobs' are going. Their managers probably went to those slick seminars for managers that sell them of the 'cost savings' of lower wage earners overseas...without telling them the downside to that strategy... Most of those companies have had troubles with sending their business overseas... if you have been reading the many published articles,... many of them have pulled back much or all of the work they sent overseas looking for low wage workers and brought it back to the technically capable trained workers because it was much more 'cost effective'... Surprise...quality counts. The ones who are keeping their training up and working at it are the ones who are getting jobs and still working here and overseas... and getting paid well for it. Those who want to get a better life for themselves have always had to work for it and educate themselves... So are you suggesting that we not teach anyone anything about DFM or the IPC specs we use to define our products and processes for our products? Do you want to manufacture designs slapped together by conscripted untrained assemblers or EE's who are being asked to do layout since the company can't find a certified designer to design their boards? Believe me, the PCB manufactures WANT us to use the IPC specs... for a good reason. Check out the counties that call themselves members of the IPC Designers Council... Trained Designers help this industry all over the globe... including here at home in the 'good old USA' too. The Designers Council is the best thing that ever happened to the IPC... the training gets to those who can make a difference in the cost of products and their manufacture. Our members are designing boards all over the globe to IPC specs and they are saving PCB manufacturers and assembly houses time and money with every board they design, not to mention the money they save their own employers... http://dc.ipc.org/ccontacts/Chapter.html Education is a good thing... and I believe in it Clyde... I don't think we should deny anyone an education or the chance to get a job. Best regards, Bill Brooks - KG6VVP PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D.+, C.I.I. Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510 e-mail:[log in to unmask] http://www.dtwc.com http://pcbwizards.com -----Original Message----- From: Clyde Sprowl [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 9:20 AM To: TechNet E-Mail Forum; Brooks,Bill Subject: RE: [TN] Wanted Help fo CID Certification (CID) Why not move the IPC to India, since that's where all our jobs are going? Clyde -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brooks,Bill Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 12:01 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Wanted Help fo CID Certification (CID) Naren, The IPC Designers Council will be having Certification workshops using the CID study guide followed by the exam at some major events this year... If you can arrange to be there you can take the certification exam at that time. Usually we need to have at least 15 people here in the U.S. sign up for a workshop in order to send out an Instructor onsite... we have some instructors in Australia and other places that might be able to make the journey to India but they may require more than 15 to help cover the costs... The website has more details on the CID curriculum and the workshop schedule. http://dc.ipc.org/education/eduhome.htm http://dc.ipc.org/education/examdates.asp Best regards, Bill Brooks - KG6VVP PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D.+, C.I.I. Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510 e-mail:[log in to unmask] http://www.dtwc.com http://pcbwizards.com http://dc.ipc.org/ -----Original Message----- From: narenthesia_engg [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 5:34 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [TN] Wanted Help fo CID Certification (CID) Hi I am Naren From India ! 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