and how many miles can the car go per mile of wind ??? ;) ??? Have a happy Friday. Ahne PS: How come nobody talks about efficiency when tauting (or is it spouting?) the advantages of hydrogen usage? -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brooks,Bill Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:40 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] DI Water Hydrogen can be made by separating it from water leaving the 2 components, 2 molecules of Hydrogen and one molecule of oxygen. This process is called electrolysis... http://www.nmsea.org/Curriculum/7_12/electrolysis/electrolysis.htm It can be done without pollution at all... using solar or wind power. Best regards, Bill Brooks - KG6VVP PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D.+, C.I.I. Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510 e-mail:[log in to unmask] http://www.dtwc.com http://pcbwizards.com -----Original Message----- From: Brian Ellis [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 4:13 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] DI Water And, please, tell me how you are going to produce hydrogen in sufficient purity and quantity to run a relatively low-efficiency device like a fuel cell? AND ensure that there is no pollution in the process? The much-vaunted fuel cell for, e.g., large-scale car use can never be. It is being developed purely as a magnet for governmental funding. If you wish to discuss this in more detail, I propose we shift the debate to the EnviroNet. I never proposed mixing the H2 and O2 to produce BANG. There are a number of ways of non-explosively combining the two gases safely, the simplest being a straightforward hydrogen flame. Brian Indrek Rebane wrote: > Hi Brian, > > Brian Ellis wrote: > >> No way. Producing PURE H2 and PURE O2 to produce PURE water would be >> horrendously expensive, energy consuming and polluting. > > > Not so, pure water would be a by-product of discharging the fuel-cell. > (Ability to store solar energy for winter time anyone?) > > But by just mixing hydrogen and oxygen near fire: > 2H2+O2 => 2H2O + BANG! > > Indrek > > -- > Indrek Rebane | Borthwick-Pignon > Electronics Engineer | Tartu Science Park > Phone: (+372) 7 302 641 | Riia 185, 51014 Tartu > Fax: (+372) 7 383 041 | Estonia > [log in to unmask] | www.bps.co.ee > > --------------------------------------------------- > Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To > unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in > the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt > or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to > [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing > per day of all the posts: send e-mail to > [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest > Search the archives of previous posts at: > http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site > http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 for additional > information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or > 847-615-7100 > ext.2815 > ----------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-615-7100 ext.2815 ----------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-615-7100 ext.2815 ----------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-615-7100 ext.2815 -----------------------------------------------------