I thought they called them that, because every time I questioned them, they recanted their story. Dewey -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Paulus, Jim Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 7:43 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Wavy Holes. Back in the halycon days of double-sided being the dominant technology, we laminators used to have a little problem (our problems were always "little anomalies", our customers' problems were always "serious deficiencies in their process") with something called canted holes. The holes especially seen after plating would have settled to a definite angle of 5-10 degrees from vertical, and leaving a surface lip on one side of the hole. It was due to undercured laminate, which would result in the plies slipping sideways during the fab process Does the wavy condition correlate to the prepreg plies -- it might be a lamination issue. Jim Paulus -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ingemar Hernefjord (KC/EMW) Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:22 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Wavy Holes. Dave, If you have Puligandla Viswanadham's book Failure Modes and Mechanisms in Electronic Packages, you may find an explanation. On page 164 he shows something that reminds of your wavy PTH. He speaks about a combination of rough drilling, delamination, copper barrel spiral cracking and finally, the solder's inability to wet this messy barrel properly. The result can be a wavy PTH. Ericsson Microwave Systems -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Dave Simonik Sent: den 3 september 2004 17:40 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [TN] Wavy Holes. Technetters; One of those Friday questions: Has anyone seen, experienced, or dealt with 'wavy' through holes in thick backplane type pcb constructions? I have searched the Technet archives, but came up empty handed. We have begun to see this phenomenon on some of our tougher thick constructions, and we are scratching our heads in trying to define the root cause of this issue. The holes appear somewhat like this after drill: | | \ \ / / | | / / \ \ | | We have seen this on hole sizes .020" - .032". We have begun to set up some DOE's. Even our tool supplier is lost for words, trying to imagine how such a large tool can 'wave' like that during the drill cycle. If anyone wants further details, please contact me offline. I have many digital photo's of this issue if anyone wants to offer their services in posting a picture on a web site. Thank you. David R. Simonik ------------------------------------------ Laser Engineering Technician Sanmina - SCI Corporation Owego NY Division 1200 Taylor Rd. 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