Mark you obviously feel passionate about your political point of view. Respectfully, I think we should try to tone down the political discussion and keep the discussion focused on the main reason this forum is being provided, printed circuit design and the designers council. There are many forums out there to express your political views and even I have been reminded of that in the past... :) Election years tend to get us wound up over these issues, but the design issues will still be there long after the country makes up it's collective mind who will be the next person we can hold responsible for all the ills and successes of our country. Personally, I believe the current president has done a pretty effective job of keeping the country moving, and we are seeing an improvement in the economy, which I think we all applaud. As long as we can keep ourselves gainfully employed and someone doesn't nuke any major cities here we have an environment in which to participate in the future of our families. Our nation has been in and out of debt over and over in it's history, and it will probably continue to be so as each administration puts its agenda on the table. Thanks for participating in the great political debate... it's another thing we have fought and died for in this country to protect and please continue to be passionate and thoughtful. I'm glad there are people like you that truly care about the future of our nation and the world, if more people were concerned we might actually improve the living condition on our world and make a difference for more of the 2/3 of the world that lives in poverty. After all the pursuit of happiness is a global need and inline with all we hold dear. I will be happy when I get this board I'm working on finished! :) Best regards, Bill Brooks PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D., C.I.I. Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510 http://pcbwizards.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark Larson [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 7:10 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [DC] another viewpoint And guess who pays the interest on those T bills foreigners buy? The taxpayers of the USA! These T-bills allow the government to spend more than it takes in; guess who eventually pays higher taxes to pay back the T-bills? The trade deficit and budget deficit are two different animals but they have the same affect: they eat up American taxpayers paychecks! Both are enormous and only getting bigger. It did not help that GeeDubbaayoo decided to spend the equivalent of $1000 for each American to "liberate" Iraq last year. It will "only" cost $500 this coming year. And the year after that, and the year after that, .... Add $4000 for this liberation to the $6500 for the trade imbalance and the typical American family gave over 10 grand to foreigners last year, add in the millions of aid to countries like Israel, Egypt, Pakistan, ... which only PO's the fanatic Muslims more since these governments would fall without it, hence the WTC disaster. We are now burdened with an additional expenditure to pay for the possibility of terror. This is a cost that goes into everything we sell and buy. All of this is the result of our government's decisions, the people we vote for and put in power. All of these goods flowing into the US are a Trojan horse, whether they contain terror or are just "innocent" goods; they are wrecking havoc on our economy. -----Original Message----- From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bill Ebner Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:54 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [DC] another viewpoint we are being blessed by the foreign countries for allowing us to obtain goods that we value & cherish at such low prices that even our poorest citizens can afford a microwave or windshield wiper or garbage pail made in mexico. the dollar weakening has no effect on what you buy with your paycheck unless you choose to travel overseas. our politicians don't build economies, they allow economies to flourish or collapse depending upon how intrusive they are in our private affairs. foreign countries are investing in the usa treasury bills & debt becuase they believe in america and know it's a stable return. these foriegners know that money invested in us treasuries is better than brazilian, german or swiss treasuries. 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