Yes, Mexico still has a lot of issues.....Company I am with now tried doing PCB stuffing there with poor success. Went to LG in Korea & very happy...just a bit pricy....But you get what you pay for.... TDK -----Original Message----- From: Brooks,Bill [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:53 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [DC] [NTC] Education...a little off topic but valid.. Hi Terry, Mexico... They have been trying to manufacture in Mexico for years... with very mixed results... I remember when I was at ACDC Electronics they had a 'Mequilladora' in Tijuana. They lost a whole truck load of transformers. Weeks later the police found the truck in the desert abandoned... They figured that the illegals had hijacked the truck to get across the border and dumped the truck when they got to where they were headed. Mexico is a very corrupt place. China scares me more than Mexico. Our companies are falling all over themselves to get into China... I think they are at great risk. But we shall see. Bill Brooks PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D., C.I.I. Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510 http://pcbwizards.com -----Original Message----- From: Terry Kozlyk [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 8:06 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [DC] [NTC] Education...a little off topic but valid.. It is happening....slowly perhaps....but it is happening... Wait till Mexico gets its standards up-to-speed..... How about China ??? Now there is mass volume of people, market & demand there also.... TDK -----Original Message----- From: Louis Dallara [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 7:54 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [DC] [NTC] Education...a little off topic but valid.. Bill; So do we educated the world to design are electronics and give them our intellectual property so they can have all are engineering jobs along with the manufacture base just because they have a lower standard of living and will work cheaper???? Inquiring minds want to know?? Lou Dallara -----Original Message----- From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Roger Stoops Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:37 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [DC] [NTC] Education...a little off topic but valid.. Estonia is one of the Baltic countries, formerly of the USSR, bordered with Russia to the east and Latvia to the south, Finland to the north across Gulf of Finland. Current temp is 68deg F with partly cloudy skies as of 2:10 their time...hmmmm, nice golfing weather... http://www.abacci.com/atlas/geography.asp?countryID=191 -----Original Message----- From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Brooks,Bill Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:56 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [DC] Education...a little off topic but valid.. Do I detect a slight hint of sarcasm Indrek? :) (BTW, Where is Estonia?) "Hmmm, no educating those peasants now... wouldn't want to give them any IDEAS in their little 'mutton heads'..." says the noble to the castle guard... Sounds like England during the reign of King George... Didn't our American ancestors leave there because of the disparity of those who have verses those to have not... I think even feeding your family by hunting deer in the local forest was a crime... All things belonged to the King... especially access to knowledge. America's best defense is an educated populace, armed with knowledge and the means to protect its free dissemination to all citizens. Lord help the fool that invades this ARMED, and EDUCATED country... (That's why when they reduce access to education, they want to take all your weapons away... can you imagine an ARMED 'UNEDUCATED' nation? I'm sure it makes the elite very nervous...) Of course those that would have power over us would prefer to do it slyly without our knowledge... its less likely we would know who to retaliate against when they stole our freedoms... But that's really not a fundamentally PCB related subject... just one I feel passionate about as well. I believe that educational materials need to be made available to the people of this country at very reasonable cost and ease of access... it's a source of strength to our country and our friends. And you may notice that Designers Council members get discounts on educational materials and events through their membership... that's another good thing... 'Evil reigns when good men do nothing...' - Edmund Burke (1729-1797) Bill Brooks PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D., C.I.I. Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510 http://pcbwizards.com -----Original Message----- From: Indrek Rebane [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 3:10 AM To: (Designers Council Forum); Brooks,Bill Subject: [OT]Re: [DC] Lead free Almost as bad idea as giving free (governmentally funded) education to people. Including higher education. What would they think? Poor people may get educated! People would not quit study towards their physics degrees just because they have no money, thou they are better then anyone else in the area. What a ridiculous idea! What will country do with it's people when they are not attached to 6 hours of soap operas on TV every day anymore? 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