(laughing my **** off) Very nice... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolfgang E. Erat" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [TN] Visual Acuity > ......what do you believe the "processing" differences are between a Class > II > product, and 55110 product? > > let me guess .. about 20 pounds of paper ???? > > Wolfgang > > > > > I'll concede I missed something there, now help me out with this thought, > > what do you believe the "processing" differences are between a Class II > > product, and 55110 product? > > > > Franklin > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Blair K. Hogg" <[log in to unmask]> > > To: <[log in to unmask]> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 9:10 AM > > Subject: Re: [TN] Visual Acuity > > > > > > Franklin, > > > > I think you missed Brian's point somewhat. > > > > The easiest way to increase the cost of a product is to over-specify its > > requirements. > > > > Should the components of a portable radio be processed to the same > standards > > as those of military flight hardware? The portable radio will most likely > > never see the environments that military flight hardware will see, > although > > I'll admit that a portable radio can see some pretty nasty environments, > > e.g., sand, salt atmosphere (at the beach), vibration (bouncing around in > > the back of a truck), etc. We would expect the portable radio to survive > > these environments, but its failure would not be life-threatening. Do we > > really want to build product that long outlasts its useful life? > > > > I agree that we should always strive to make our products better, and less > > costly if possible, but then we have to start to get into business > > strategies and product placement in the market, etc. > > > > Products should be specified correctly for their application and for the > > customer's needs. Anything above that generally adds cost. > > > > Blair > > > > > > > > >>> [log in to unmask] 05/25/04 09:48AM >>> > > Wow, that was off topic...but since a new one is started let me add > this... > > > > 1. Specifications are here to stay, period. > > 2. They must be adhered to, period. > > 3. There are many ways of adhering to most specifications, many ways cost > > more than others, most specifications can be met by applying different, > more > > cost effective methods than what is 'traditionaly' performed. > > 4. Instead of cutting back on 'meeting specifications' for non-military > > product, why not develop cost effective processes so that military and > > non-military product are processed in a similar manner at the lowest cost > > possible. From my perspective, the only real difference between the > military > > and non-military product are the additional tests required, and those > cost's > > are typically passed on to the customer anyway. > > > > Franklin > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Ellis" <[log in to unmask]> > > To: <[log in to unmask]> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 1:38 AM > > Subject: Re: [TN] Visual Acuity > > > > > > > Jack > > > > > > Interesting point, but an analogic argument can be applied to all those > > > who apply rigid standards where they are not necessary. If a product, > > > process or whatever does what it should do in an acceptable manner with > > > appropriate aids provided by the employer, then that is good enough. I > > > firmly believe that our industry is plagued by over-specification-itis. > > > This is often engendered by ignorance; a responsible person has no idea > > > what the ramifications of a process or product are so, instead of > > > learning what it does, he covers his ignorance by applying > > > specifications and standards, often irrelevant or far too severe, and > > > costing his employers an arm and a leg in consequence. I see many, many > > > examples of this in this forum, as well as visiting clients. In one > > > company which consulted me, the product was a range of cards for use in > > > ordinary PCs used in an office environment. I saved them ~40% of their > > > production costs and thereby increased their overall gross profitability > > > by ~10% simply by showing them that they did not have to build their > > > products to ultra-reliable military standards -- but it was a hard > > > battle convincing them. > > > > > > I suggest that every manufacturing entity should carefully examine their > > > products and processes for over-specification-itis. > > > > > > Sorry to diverge off-topic. > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > Jack Crawford wrote: > > > > Any related requirements have been or are being removed from IPC > > > > standards. The correct assessment is whether an individual can do the > > > > job they are required to do in an acceptable manner with appropriate > > > > aids that may need to be provided by the employer. For broader > > > > explanation, i.e. avoiding worker discrimination lawsuits, consult > your > > > > HR about the Americans with Disabilities Act. > > > > > > > > Jack Crawford > > > > Director, Certification and Assembly Technology > > > > [log in to unmask] > > > > 847-790-5393 > > > > fax 847-504-2393 > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Mary Jane Chism [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > > > > Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 2:37 PM > > > > To: [log in to unmask] > > > > Subject: [TN] Visual Acuity > > > > > > > > > > > > Group, > > > > > > > > Is it mentioned anywhere in any of the IPC standards a visual acuity > for > > > > solder inspection? 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