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Many people will not
like the main reason as to why we are so far
behind in technology. In my opinion it is the unions. In a state that I do
not want to mention there is
an old steel factory with WWII technology. All
because the union wants to
preserve jobs. If everything was up to the
unions, we would still
have scores of people in a room manualy switching
phone
calls.
Hope I did not offend too many
union
members.
Regards,
Ramon
> This is a labor intensive
approach, but when labor is cheap...
>
>
>
> Thanks for
the good discussion -- it's consistent with my observations.
>
>
Sorry to change the subject and run off on a tangent but here
goes...
>
> It's not (just) the cost of labor it's the absence of
labor in a highly
> automated environment typical in the large Asian fabs. This is a common
> North American perception of Asian
Fabricators. We need to get out of
> denial -- it's not just cheap
labor in Asia fabs. It's a different
> investment climate that allows for intense capitalization and investment
> in
automation.
>
> Asian fabs haven't just kicked North Americans teeth
in with low cost
> labor -- but also with extreme levels of automation
relative to anything
> I've seen in the USA. Oh yeah, and their yields and
technology followed
> (up) as the automation came on line. I see
more engineers per capita in
> Asian fabs than in US fabs by about a factor of ten. Also, we see way
> less total bodies (by nearly half)
per panel output. High end Asian fabs
> need less direct labor (less
"organic" handlers) and more engineers to
> implement and manage the automation. The exception to this rule is that
> is all breaks down
at ET and final inspection: there the Asians do take
> advantage of the
lower labor rates and throw a lot into the final gates.
>
> my impressions and $0.02.
>
> cheers,
> Dwight Mattix
> Sr
Staff QE, Corp Hardware Engineering
>
>
>
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