Larry, Couple of questions for you. 1. What is your customers specification for workmanship? 2. Was the component vender qualified by your customer and if so how? You are correct in the fact that the supplier will probably not accept that these parts are bad. I have seen in the past where component suppliers will try to "dis-qualify" your process because their components are not performing. This can be a touchy area, good luck. >>> [log in to unmask] 8/22/2003 11:13:33 AM >>> Technetters, How does your Quality department test components for solderability? Do they still test to the MIL-STD-202, MIL-STD-750D which is a soldering iron or solder pot test? I'm looking to have my company test to IPC/EIA J-STD-002A 4.2.5 "test S- surface mount process simulation test." This test basically is placing solderpaste on ceramic and running it through the reflow oven. My thought is that this is how these components are going to be used, so this test better reproduces the actual world. But, many component manufactures still use one of the MIL standards. As you all know, components will solder much better using the MIL test then the IPC test.I can see there is gonna be difficulty in getting them to accept them back as defective. How do you handle this? Do you test to the MIL test because thats what the manufacture does? How would you handle the issue of the component passing the MIL test but failing the IPC test Knowing that the IPC test reflects your manufacturing process? Larry --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ----------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 -----------------------------------------------------