While some of these products may in fact be "foriegn born", the reality of the situation is that most of the "sales" of this equipment is governed by the jurisdiction in which it is sold, and once again, certain jurisdictions have certain "warranty protection" notwithstanding where it the equipment was made, or what the ELUA states, simply by reason of the fact that the equipment was sold within the jurisdiction. Yeah, your Honda or Toyota may have been "Made in Japan" (notwithstanding that it may claim to be "assembled" in the USA), but if it is sold in the State of California, it is still governed by the California "Lemon Law". Yeah, your Pick and Place Machine may have been manufactuured in Denmark or even Podunk Arkansas, but nevertheless, if you bought it new or used in the State of California, it is covered by "implied merchantability" laws and certain "warranties" irrespective of what the company lawyers in Denmark or Podunk might want to think. At the very least, most of this equipment is probably sold thru a local dealer that is in fact legally vulnerable, and who needs to be reminded that he is in fact legally vulnerable, and who might just need to be reminded that he might have to lose his house to pay for the 240K piece of machinery that he has sold to someone or removed the software from. Anyone who has physically gone into an auction and physically removed software from a piece of equipment needs to be criminally prosecuted, if not minimally physically restrained. I almost wish I owned a piece of such equipmment so that I could "go off" on the @#^%(*! %^))*#@ that would try and touch it. Talk about going 5150 . . . The more I think about this, the more furious and irrational I am becomming . . . Give me the *&$&!@ $#}|$#& names and phones numbers . . . This is totally unacceptable . . . JaMi ----- Original Message ----- From: Smith, Russell (US LA) To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [TN] Machine registration fees... Well Said ! T h e only stumbling block , I can think of in this whole scenario is that many of these Companies are Foreign, and ultimately governed by the laws of those countries. Which almost without exception are written with the sole purpose of protecting the companies within their borders, regardless of the impact that occurs elsewhere. Just a word of caution we need to be cognizant of before we name names is that facts must be correct , and statements verified , before being spoken or written, less the door is opened for legal action in the form of Libel , and slander suits. Thus I propose collectively if we want to pursue this that we do so off this net and through our individual e-mail , as both a protection and courtesy to the IPC. Russell Smith [log in to unmask] --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 -----------------------------------------------------