Steve, et al, I think that the charges are probably justified after reading the thread about the amount of service support needed to take care of a used equipment buyer. This doesn't mean that I like it. Maybe a better way would be for the used equipment dealers to include the registration fee as part of the cost of the equipment or make the buyer fully aware of those costs prior to the sale. This way, no surprises. Even with fees, used equipment is still a bargain. Another alternative for buyers is to purchase refurbished equipment directly from the manufacturer. Bill Kasprzak Moog Inc, Electronics Process Engineering -----Original Message----- From: Steve Gregory [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 6:44 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [TN] Machine registration fees... Hi All! I guess this is one of the downsides of having a buyers market on used assembly equipment, and I do understand how depressed the new equipment market is, but I'm being asked to pay resistration fees in the thousands of dollars, on each machine that I bought on the open market...no matter if we've bought new equipment from the company that is now asking for fees before. Are any of you experiencing this as well? Without the fees, you won't get any support at all. Was told we could still buy parts, but that the part numbers change all the time, so if I was to order a part out of the manual, they may have that number under a different part, and send that part to me. Once it was received it's ours, and it could not be sent back for credit. Even further, without being registered, they wouldn't tell us what the new part number should be. Feels like you have no choice but to pay the fees. Again, I understand how bad the market is now, but it seems that I've only experienced "registration fee" stuff in printed circuit assembly equipment. If I go buy a used car, I don't charged a fee to have my car worked on by a factory trained technician, or have to pay a fee to be able to buy OEM replacement parts... Kinda' stinks if you ask me... -Steve Gregory- --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ----------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 -----------------------------------------------------